Kriegmarine sorties against invasion of France?

Lets assume it sorties from Bremerhaven and head south. Lets also assume that the allies have subs in the area as a security just in case. Lets assume that the sub radio in that the entire German surface fleet is heading south on June 6. What do you think happens? The commanders of the airforce and navy discuss for a few minutes and then every battleship near the beaches gets a new target. Here is the number of warships present at Normandy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Allied_warships_in_the_Normandy_landings. And after the allied warships had done their part the RAF and USAAF shows up with a lot of bombers. I want CalBear to write this scenario :)
 
Lets assume it sorties from Bremerhaven and head south. Lets also assume that the allies have subs in the area as a security just in case. Lets assume that the sub radio in that the entire German surface fleet is heading south on June 6. What do you think happens? The commanders of the airforce and navy discuss for a few minutes and then every battleship near the beaches gets a new target. Here is the number of warships present at Normandy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Allied_warships_in_the_Normandy_landings. And after the allied warships had done their part the RAF and USAAF shows up with a lot of bombers. I want CalBear to write this scenario :)

I wonder what sort of motives there could have been for something simply called suicide and a serious waist of lives, for no reason at all. Even the Germans were not so stupid to waist their scarce resources in futile attempts like this. Why not simply surrender then???
 
I wonder what sort of motives there could have been for something simply called suicide and a serious waist of lives, for no reason at all. Even the Germans were not so stupid to waist their scarce resources in futile attempts like this. Why not simply surrender then???

Do the words "Leonidas Squadron" not ring a bell?
 
Do the words "Leonidas Squadron" not ring a bell?

And what about it? No one ever did actually fly a single combatmission there, as it was seen as not very practical, besides a serious waist of human lives and skilled pilots, who were already badly missed in the normal Luftwaffe Units. Point remains, Germans might have had silly ideas, but were not stupid and would not do such stupid things as waisting human and military resources on situations, that were a lost cause already. (The only ones capable of doing such a final act were the Japanese in WW2 and the modern suicide terrorist. Nations with at least some level of modenrity were not going that far, even totalitarian ones.)
 

Tyr Anazasi

Banned
And what about it? No one ever did actually fly a single combatmission there, as it was seen as not very practical, besides a serious waist of human lives and skilled pilots, who were already badly missed in the normal Luftwaffe Units. Point remains, Germans might have had silly ideas, but were not stupid and would not do such stupid things as waisting human and military resources on situations, that were a lost cause already. (The only ones capable of doing such a final act were the Japanese in WW2 and the modern suicide terrorist. Nations with at least some level of modenrity were not going that far, even totalitarian ones.)

The Leonidas squadron did attack. There were a few missions, in which German kamikaze pilots were used:

Suicide sorties
During the Battle for Berlin the Luftwaffe flew "Self-sacrifice missions" (Selbstopfereinsätze) against Soviet held bridges over the Oder River. These 'total missions' were flown by pilots of the Leonidas Squadron under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Heiner Lange from 17 April until 20 April 1945, using any aircraft that were available. The Luftwaffe claimed that the squadron destroyed seventeen bridges. However, the military historian Antony Beevor, writing about the incident, thinks that this was exaggerated and that only the railway bridge at Küstrin was definitely destroyed. Beevor comments that "thirty-five pilots and aircraft was a high price to pay for such a limited and temporary success". The missions were called off when the Soviet ground forces reached the vicinity of the squadron's airbase at Jüterbog and were in a position to overrun it.

From Wiki
 
The Leonidas squadron did attack. There were a few missions, in which German kamikaze pilots were used:



From Wiki

I think you are mistaken here with the "Sonderkomando Elbe", Rammingmissions of Luftwaffe fighters, though with specific orders for the pilots to eject prior to colliding enem aircraft.

Late in World War II, the Luftwaffe used ramming to try to regain control of the air. The plan was to dissuade Allied bomber pilots from conducting bombing raids long enough for the Germans to create a significant number of Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighters to turn the tide of the air war. On 4 April 1945 Heinrich Ehrler rammed a B-24 and was killed. Only a single dedicated unit, Sonderkommando Elbe was ever formed to the point of being operational, and flew their only mission – only a month before the end of the war in Europe – on April 7, 1945. Although some pilots succeeded in destroying bombers, including one ramming during the sole mission that took out two B-24s at once with one Bf 109G, Allied numbers were not significantly reduced.
 

Tyr Anazasi

Banned
I think you are mistaken here with the "Sonderkomando Elbe", Rammingmissions of Luftwaffe fighters, though with specific orders for the pilots to eject prior to colliding enem aircraft.

Late in World War II, the Luftwaffe used ramming to try to regain control of the air. The plan was to dissuade Allied bomber pilots from conducting bombing raids long enough for the Germans to create a significant number of Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighters to turn the tide of the air war. On 4 April 1945 Heinrich Ehrler rammed a B-24 and was killed. Only a single dedicated unit, Sonderkommando Elbe was ever formed to the point of being operational, and flew their only mission – only a month before the end of the war in Europe – on April 7, 1945. Although some pilots succeeded in destroying bombers, including one ramming during the sole mission that took out two B-24s at once with one Bf 109G, Allied numbers were not significantly reduced.

No, as that were not necessarily suicide attacks, the Sonderkommando Elbe was not included. As I wrote there was a single kamikaze attack on the bridges of the Oder in 1945 with 35 kamikaze planes, at least succeeding in the destruction of Küstrin railway bridge.
 
Interesting possibilities with the POD, but I think overall it just depletes Germany of valuable ships, men, and material. Plus the varied minefields may well take out or cripple most of the warships before they can even get close to any Allied combat ships.
 
Top