Kitaab Az Fatah: The Persian book of Conquests

Konkstnameh: The Persian book of Conquests

Persia…lost in our memories. Even today one can smell the ancient whiff of such aromas as that of Frankincense and myrrh. When one walks through the long abandoned palaces of Persepolis, stares at the Relief of Darius, or observes the ancient remains of Zoroastrian fire temples, you are staring at the glory that was Persia. The whispers of the ancient near east, long since gone, dwelt in these places, for Persia carried on that ancient legacy. Persia conquered the largest empire in that time, with a messenger from Balkh reaching Siwa, on the two boundaries of the empire, with great ease. It created a new kind of empire, with a decentralized system of local rule and tolerance. It created great engineering feats such as the canal linking the Mediterranean and the red seas.

But what is this land, this term, ‘Persia’? Persia was not just a nation, or a people. It was not just a series of empires, or a list of engineering feats. Persia was an ideal, a lost one. The last gasp of the near east, it carried on its knowledge to the west through Alexander the Great and his contemporaries. Though much was lost in the panic and murder that constituted the fall of the Persian Empire, much was gained, too. The Seleucids carried the essence of Persian knowledge. The Parthians revived the tolerant decentralization that had existed under the Achaemenids, and finally, the Sassanids brought it to its apex, with the creation of a state rivalling its enemies and a new Zoroastrianism not known since Darius III. Eventually, it was enveloped in the greater sphere of Islam, but it never really disappeared.

However, what if Persia had never fallen in the first place? Perhaps for one second we can think of a time when Persia held the world on its shoulders. It was 480 BC, at Salamis. The Greeks were seemingly trapped, with the very fate of Western civilization, still in its infancy, at stake. Then, The Persians fell for a trap set by Themistocles and a cunning spy good at acting, and the chance was lost. In a way, one could say that Persia itself was lost, for never again would Persia fight against the Greeks and endanger their very existence as an independent people. Xerxes had lost his chance, and the Persian Empire would pay for it with its decline. Today, one looking back can be almost amused by the miraculous luck of the Greeks. Had one storm gone awry, or one plan not been transmitted, or one city state defected, things may have gone south for the Hellenes. Unfortunately for Persia, it didn’t. They were caught in the channel of Salamis, and the navy was badly bruised. Though they managed to hang on in Greece enough to be smashed twice more at Mycale and Plataea, it was clear that the age of Persian domination was over and that they would begin their slow and painful decline.

This, however, is not what happened in real life. This is the story of what would happen if Xerxes had not been fooled by that sly spy at Salamis and did not go ahead with the attack on the Athenians. This is the story of what would happen if Persia won.


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A tale of Persian triumph? How could that be anything but a fun read?

And a good thing, too, whatever the Hellenophiles think.
 
I'm not very knowledgeable about this period but this timeline seems very interesting. I can't wait for the first real update.
Scipio
 
Thanks for the comments!

I will of course be following this; subscribed. ;)

Danke. There will probably be no Carthaginian victory at Himera, though. This will focus mainly on Persia for now.

if persia had not been conquered by tge arabs, it would not be kitan.

I am aware that the title is rather anachronistic with its usage of 'Fatah' and 'Kitaab'. However, such words as 'Konkst'(A more modern term) don't fit either. I had to go with that since finding the Pahlavi phrase would be a huge pain since I don't have access to academic papers and the like.

And somewhere, Léonidas is crying. ;)

The Poor lad is crying, indeed. It's such a shame the prophecy didn't work out like he hoped it would.

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Also good to have some interest.

I'm not very knowledgeable about this period but this timeline seems very interesting. I can't wait for the first real update.
Scipio

It'll probably be either tomorrow or Tuesday.

A tale of Persian triumph? How could that be anything but a fun read?

And a good thing, too, whatever the Hellenophiles think.

I tend to be more neutral on the subject of whether the conquest of Persia, or the conquest of Greece here, would be 'better'. Certainly there would be more cultural mixing than already happened in OTL, like what happened with the Greek conquest of Persia.
 
I tend to be more neutral on the subject of whether the conquest of Persia, or the conquest of Greece here, would be 'better'. Certainly there would be more cultural mixing than already happened in OTL, like what happened with the Greek conquest of Persia.

Well, I'd rather have Xerxes conquer Greece, as he's likely to more less leave it unhurt and ruled more or less as the Greeks wish (with some tribute to...the capital, name is escaping me) than Alexander fighting and slaughtering his way across the Acheamenid Empire.
 
Well, I'd rather have Xerxes conquer Greece, as he's likely to more less leave it unhurt and ruled more or less as the Greeks wish (with some tribute to...the capital, name is escaping me) than Alexander fighting and slaughtering his way across the Acheamenid Empire.

Susa was the Administrative capital while Persepolis was the Royal capital. As for the Greeks, the general satrapy system required acceptance of the power of the Shahanshah, the payment of tribute, and levies to be supplied when the King is needing them.
 
Susa was the Administrative capital while Persepolis was the Royal capital. As for the Greeks, the general satrapy system required acceptance of the power of the Shahanshah, the payment of tribute, and levies to be supplied when the King is needing them.

Nothing too unreasonable, really, as demands by conquerors go.

Susa, then, at least in the sense of "to the Conquering Power" as opposed to the Shahanshah himself.
 
I always wanted to read a timeline here involving a scenario where those smelly feral city-dwelling barbarians were subjugated by the might of Persia.

You have much to live up too. But knowing you and your previous works, this will satisfy me and much more.
 

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A Zoroastrian Persian timeline? Heck, how couldn't I follow this timeline? I'll definitely be reading this.
 
Danke. There will probably be no Carthaginian victory at Himera, though. This will focus mainly on Persia for now.
I'm completely a spectator for this, don't worry - it's your timeline, and your choice if you want to add that extra Greek-screw twist or not. I'm just stoked you did decide to go and make this a TL, and didn't let me hold you back! :eek:;)

Whenever you're ready, bring on that first update! :cool:
 
Again, thanks for the comments! Glad everyone seems to be interested.

I always wanted to read a timeline here involving a scenario where those smelly feral city-dwelling barbarians were subjugated by the might of Persia.

You have much to live up too. But knowing you and your previous works, this will satisfy me and much more.

Thanks a lot, mate. Hopefully I can produce work to equal Ferdowsi!(Not really though.)


A Zoroastrian Persian timeline? Heck, how couldn't I follow this timeline? I'll definitely be reading this.

Danke. It will be interesting to craft the interactions between the Greeks and Persians by way of Zoroastrianism.

I'm completely a spectator for this, don't worry - it's your timeline, and your choice if you want to add that extra Greek-screw twist or not. I'm just stoked you did decide to go and make this a TL, and didn't let me hold you back! :eek:;)

Whenever you're ready, bring on that first update! :cool:

Thanks, Monopolist. However, I'd prefer to keep away from Himera; There will be a time in the timeline's future where I will talk about Carthage and the Classical west, but that is far from now.
 
Onward with the Triumph of Ahura Mazda!

I think in one of the Turtledove Anthologies it talked about the Persian concept of good and evil becoming prevelant
 
If this is a Zoroastrian TL, why is the title in Arabic?

It's not arabic. Fatah is simply a loan word from arabic used in Persian. If you have a better title I will be glad to use it, since finding Middle Persian translations are impossible.
 
It's not arabic. Fatah is simply a loan word from arabic used in Persian. If you have a better title I will be glad to use it, since finding Middle Persian translations are impossible.

I can't say I know anymore ancient Persian than you do, but kitab and fatah are both very much Arabic words and it is unlikely that such fundamental concepts would be borrowed by a sophisticated language like Persian absent an Arab conquest.

It just seems off for a work about Zoroastrian triumph to have a title with such an Arabic-Islamic flavor.
 
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