King Louis I of England

The year is 1217, in Lincolnshire, and by some sort of miracle King John of England never lost his Crown Jewels to the incoming tide of the Wash when fleeing from the invasion of Prince Louis of France. However, in this scenario, the "Bad King" only lives long enough to be captured at the alt historical Siege of Newark. Shortly after John signs a treaty making Prince Louis, King Louis I of England, he succumbs to dysentery. His son Henry would inherit the only lands not lost by his father in Aquitaine. And Louis would become king in both England and France.

The PoD is King Johns baggage train makes it through the Wash in one piece, his health is never negitively effected by its loss, and he then lives long enough to lose the war and his clame to the throne.

Would Henry every challenge the king for his throne in England? Would Louis sign the Magna Carta? And most importantly is this even possible?​
 
Oh God I hope so. France certainly has the population potential to French-ify England. This situation has always been so full of awesome to me....

It's not the French-ifying of England I'm worried about, but the Pod. I just dont know how much longer King John would have survived had he not lost the Crown Jewels. Though even if it is possible I'm still working on the beginning of the TL and wont get the chance to post it until later this week.
 
King John just needs to live long enough for his sons to die. I think killing them off would provide a better way for Louis to have the upper hand against his opposition.
 
I suppose a lot of this depends on the exact circumstances of John's defeat.

But what has to be remembered is that the Barons who supported Louis were not so much pro-Louis as anti-John. Once John was deceased, a large contingent of them defected to the Angevin banner. There were mixed reasons for this, but it was a mix of resentment of the french combined with how they had rebelled, not to install a new dynasty, but to compel John to grant them certain liberties. Once John was safely dead, they found the prospect of King Henry (especially as a child) more palatable than the idea of a King Louis.
 
I suppose a lot of this depends on the exact circumstances of John's defeat.

But what has to be remembered is that the Barons who supported Louis were not so much pro-Louis as anti-John. Once John was deceased, a large contingent of them defected to the Angevin banner. There were mixed reasons for this, but it was a mix of resentment of the french combined with how they had rebelled, not to install a new dynasty, but to compel John to grant them certain liberties. Once John was safely dead, they found the prospect of King Henry (especially as a child) more palatable than the idea of a King Louis.

But what if John had given up his claim to Louis before he died, and Louis signed the Magna Carta(in some form or another). With Louis widely excepted as legitimate king and willing to comply with the Barons would they still prefer Henry over Louis?

I started a timeline of this exact idea, even if the POD was earlier

I didn't know that, anyway seems to have some things in common with what I imagined, though I didn't know about de Montfort.
 
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