King Henry IX Stuart?

I'm not sure. The Thirty Years War as it unfolded was a result of something other than generalized religious and political issues.

Maybe it wouldn't unfold the same way, but a war was inevitable. There was the problem of Calvinism not being legal in the HRE, France wanting to regain the position it lost because of the Religious civil wars, the Spanish and the Dutch were bound to go head to head after the truce expired. Not to mention the issues of Denmark and Sweden. The war might not start in the same place or same time but these issues were bound to come to a head eventually.
 
Maybe it wouldn't unfold the same way, but a war was inevitable. There was the problem of Calvinism not being legal in the HRE, France wanting to regain the position it lost because of the Religious civil wars, the Spanish and the Dutch were bound to go head to head after the truce expired. Not to mention the issues of Denmark and Sweden. The war might not start in the same place or same time but these issues were bound to come to a head eventually.

"A war" is inevitable at some point just because we can pick dozens of causes beyond those listed. 17th century Europe was a belligerent place.

But that covers a lot of possibilities, not all of which are necessarily going to explode at the same time as the others, not all of which are necessarily going to relate to the others.
 
"A war" is inevitable at some point just because we can pick dozens of causes beyond those listed. 17th century Europe was a belligerent place.

But that covers a lot of possibilities, not all of which are necessarily going to explode at the same time as the others, not all of which are necessarily going to relate to the others.

True. I can see the Eighty year's war restarting as the first, if there's not some sort of Bohemian rebellion, with France tied in with a potential alliance with the Netherlands. If a war develops like this, I can see France making alliances with Protestant Princes of the Empire, thus dragging the Empire and Austria into a war.

IDK if this is the most likely way for a European-wide war to start, but its what I'd put my money on.
 
True. I can see the Eighty year's war restarting as the first, if there's not some sort of Bohemian rebellion, with France tied in with a potential alliance with the Netherlands. If a war develops like this, I can see France making alliances with Protestant Princes of the Empire, thus dragging the Empire and Austria into a war.

IDK if this is the most likely way for a European-wide war to start, but its what I'd put my money on.

Well, if we have a POD in 1561, I'm not sure the Eighty Years War would restart - to put it another way, the Netherlands might lose (its not impossible). Or France remain in no state to do something in 1618.

Even as someone who thinks butterflies move slowly, fifty years is a long time.
 
Well with the change starting on 1561 then all kinds of cans of worms await to be opened. Will the combatants take door #1 witb wars of religion, doof #2 with the HRE deciding to accomodate the Lutherans in exchange of extra taxes, or hit a whammy and have the Turks go for Rome and Glory?

I await your decisions.:D
 
Well, if we have a POD in 1561, I'm not sure the Eighty Years War would restart - to put it another way, the Netherlands might lose (its not impossible). Or France remain in no state to do something in 1618.

Even as someone who thinks butterflies move slowly, fifty years is a long time.

Guys. I should be less vague and say that this is going to be in Cardamom Dreams, not a whole new TL. So the POD only directly affects India for a long time. Butterflies don't really start hitting Europe until about the 1590s, as a consequence of an Indian traveller going to Europe and writing about it.
 
Guys. I should be less vague and say that this is going to be in Cardamom Dreams, not a whole new TL. So the POD only directly affects India for a long time. Butterflies don't really start hitting Europe until about the 1590s, as a consequence of an Indian traveller going to Europe and writing about it.

That should be interesting to see. I haven't been following that timeline (since I understand so little of OTL Indian history that I fear a good ATL would leave me hopelessly lost), but I might have to fix that.
 
Alright. Necro, but one that I feel is necessary. Henry IX will be King of England, Scotland and Ireland after James VI/I; my real question is, just how authoritarian can he be?

I've been pondering certain ideas, and I can see Henry actually being a more forceful and charismatic personality- while he could still hold the same views as Charles, he'd be a lot more able to gain support; I have some idea as to how that would occur too...

but I have a question: what might cause the English Civil War in such a timeline?

EDIT: And looking at the earlier post, the irony is that the POD was in 1561, just in India. :p
 
Alright. Necro, but one that I feel is necessary. Henry IX will be King of England, Scotland and Ireland after James VI/I; my real question is, just how authoritarian can he be?

I've been pondering certain ideas, and I can see Henry actually being a more forceful and charismatic personality- while he could still hold the same views as Charles, he'd be a lot more able to gain support; I have some idea as to how that would occur too...

but I have a question: what might cause the English Civil War in such a timeline?

EDIT: And looking at the earlier post, the irony is that the POD was in 1561, just in India. :p

I would think Henry would want there to be a single church for both England and Scotland - only, unlike Charles I in OTL, he wouldn't want to make Scotland more Anglican but make England's church more Presbyterian. So you might have the opposite kind of religious issue: the Anglicans (and crypto-Catholics) become offended by the king's religious moves while the Puritans are mostly on his side.
 
I would think Henry would want there to be a single church for both England and Scotland - only, unlike Charles I in OTL, he wouldn't want to make Scotland more Anglican but make England's church more Presbyterian. So you might have the opposite kind of religious issue: the Anglicans (and crypto-Catholics) become offended by the king's religious moves while the Puritans are mostly on his side.

The problem is the proto-High Church Anglicans are essentially hoisted by their own petard here, and the crypto-Catholics generally really don't want to get people looking at them too closely. So, as protests go--well, it'll be pretty muddled and ineffectual. Hello Church Councils--goodbye Christmas.
 

Teejay

Gone Fishin'
If Henry Fredrick Prince of Wales became King Henry IX, England would have developed into Protestant absolutist monarchy like Sweden or Prussia. The Church of England would have become for all practical intense purposes a Calvinist denomination. Not to mention the English Civil War would have never happened, because the people who objected to policies of Charles I in OTL are going to be pretty much firm supporters of the "Good" King Henry.

Although England is going to a weaker militarily than OTL. Because an absolutist monarchy will not be able to tax as effectively as a constitutional one (which England became after the Glorious Revolution).
 
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