Khmer Rouge adopts Primitive communism

[walmart]

In a primitive communist society, all able bodied persons would have engaged in obtaining food, and everyone would share in what was produced by hunting and gathering. There would be no private property, which is distinguished from personal property[6] such as articles of clothing and similar personal items, because primitive society produced no surplus; what was produced was quickly consumed and this was because there existed no division of labour, hence people were forced to work together. The few things that existed for any length of time (tools, housing) were held communally,[7] in Engels' view in association with matrilocal residence and matrilineal descent.[8] There would have been no state.

Domestication of animals and plants following the Neolithic Revolution through herding and agriculture was seen as the turning point from primitive communism to class society as it was followed by private ownership and slavery, with the inequality that they entailed. In addition, parts of the population specialized in different activities, such as manufacturing, culture, philosophy, and science which is said to lead to the development of social classes.

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Would be possible for the Khmer Rouge to adopt Primitive communism as opposed to Agrarian socialism.

What would an Primitive Communist Khmer Rouge look like.

What would be the impact of this.

 

[Analytical Engine]

What would be the impact of this.

Cambodia, IMO, would have suffered even more than it already did were the Khmer Rouge to go down this route. And that's saying something.

 

[walmart]

How many people could be sustained by hunting and gathering in Cambodia

 

[The Byronic Hero]

How many people could be sustained by hunting and gathering in Cambodia

Not nearly enough to sustain the current population even after the early genocidal purges.

 

[overoceans]

Upside...

A hunter-gatherer Khmer Rouge would likely discredit pop primitivism, which means we are all spared Fight Club.

 

[the Imperium of Canada]

Upside...

A hunter-gatherer Khmer Rouge would likely discredit pop primitivism, which means we are all spared Fight Club.

Fight Club wasn't pro primitivism.

 

[overoceans]

Fight Club wasn't pro primitivism.

Okay. We'd all be spared Burning Man.

 

[HelloThere]

How do you "adopt" primitive communism? It isn't an ideology but was described as a premodern state of society.

 

[overoceans]

How do you "adopt" primitive communism? It isn't an ideology but was described as a premodern state of society.

Well, I guess after you've cleared the cities, you could clear the farms and send everybody out to follow game animals around and pick berries.

Of course, after how many centuries of agriculture and the beginnings of industrialization, I don't know if nature in the form that made H-Ging a viable lifestyle would still exist.

 

[Glory2Cabinda]

There wouldn't be a Cambodia after this. I actually don't know what would happen to the land under international law. I mean government would fucking collapse would Vietnam just swoop in and colonize the place? Would anybody be opposed I mean the area is stateless.

 

[HelloThere]

There wouldn't be a Cambodia after this. I actually don't know what would happen to the land under international law. I mean government would fucking collapse would Vietnam just swoop in and colonize the place?

Considering that this anarchoprimitivst society would probably in short order collaps into feudal warlord states, Vietnamese intervention is pretty sure.

 

[Glory2Cabinda]

Considering that this anarchoprimitivst society would probably in short order collaps into feudal warlord states, Vietnamese intervention is pretty sure.

I mean most likely there would not be enough people to establish a working state. Would the Vietnamese just be able to annex it?

 

[overoceans]

There wouldn't be a Cambodia after this. I actually don't know what would happen to the land under international law.

Well, I assume international law would still recognize Cambodia itself as an independent country, regardless of how unorthodox their relationship to the land is.

But yeah, how do you have a government or a capital city in a place where everyone is just roaming around scrounging for rodents and grass?

 

[Glory2Cabinda]

Well, I assume international law would still recognize Cambodia itself as an independent country, regardless of how unorthodox their relationship to the land is.

But yeah, how do you have a government or a capital city in a place where everyone is just roaming around scrounging for rodents and grass?

You can't there would be no government. And I cannot see the international community just literally avoid this land. probably going to become a cesspool of illegal loggers and drug cartels.

 

[HelloThere]

I mean most likely there would not be enough people to establish a working state. Would the Vietnamese just be able to annex it?

Can't think it would be worth the trouble. They probably just try to integrate the Warlords into a new state and fight off the rest.

 

[FesteringSpore]

You can't there would be no government. And I cannot see the international community just literally avoid this land. probably going to become a cesspool of illegal loggers and drug cartels.

Can't think it would be worth the trouble. They probably just try to integrate the Warlords into a new state and fight off the rest.

This would be a perfect opportunity for Vietnam to step in and firmly put Cambodia into its sphere; Vietnam has long regarded Cambodia as part of its 'natural' sphere of influence, and the Khmer Rouge essentially shooting themselves in the head is a perfect way for Vietnam to step in, organize a "humanitarian intervention", flood Cambodia with Vietnamese settlers and exploit its resources.. in a generation or two, maybe even outright annexation.

 

[Mad Bad Rabbit]

How do you "adopt" primitive communism? It isn't an ideology but was described as a premodern state of society.

Have a thermonuclear exchange that destroys modern society?

 

[Father Maryland]

This would be a perfect opportunity for Vietnam to step in and firmly put Cambodia into its sphere; Vietnam has long regarded Cambodia as part of its 'natural' sphere of influence, and the Khmer Rouge essentially shooting themselves in the head is a perfect way for Vietnam to step in, organize a "humanitarian intervention", flood Cambodia with Vietnamese settlers and exploit its resources.. in a generation or two, maybe even outright annexation.

Honestly while you're right that the Vietnamese/ North Vietnamese leadership definitely saw Cambodia as being part of it's sphere. But this would completely fuck Cambodia over way worse then what they managed in OTL.

Cambodia would be an expensive open sore for Vietnam that would cost way way more then they could ever extract in resources.

 

[FesteringSpore]

Honestly while you're right that the Vietnamese/ North Vietnamese leadership definitely saw Cambodia as being part of it's sphere. But this would completely fuck Cambodia over way worse then what they managed in OTL.

Cambodia would be an expensive open sore for Vietnam that would cost way way more then they could ever extract in resources.

Okay, that's very true about the real cost of colonizing the wreckage of ITTL Cambodia

But at the very least I can see Hà Nội deciding to expand Vietnam's southern border a few miles westward to incorporate the remaining Vietnamese in Cambodia if Cambodia does just implode into this hellhole

 

[Gabingston]

Considering that this anarchoprimitivst society would probably in short order collaps into feudal warlord states, Vietnamese intervention is pretty sure.