Khazaria, SSR

In 1934 Joseph Stalin created the Jewish Autonomous Oblast, a small territory on the Manchurian border. What if he create a much larger, full size Soviet Socialist Republic for the as part of his Jewish nationality policy, and in keeping with history, this territory is roughly located near old Khazaria.

Khazaria SSR would be carved out of western Kazakhstan. Specifically it comprises of the provinces of West Kazakhstan, Atyrau, Mangystau, and Aktobe, for a total of 736,100 Square Kilometers.

Initially Soviet citizens of Jewish descent shall be encouraged to settle there, as part of their patriotic duty to create new farmland for the motherland. In the 1938 Evian Conference, the Soviet Union agrees to offer Austrian Jews sanctuary in Khazaria SSR. After 1939, Jews from occupied Poland and the Baltic states are also encouraged to migrate.

During the Great Patriotic War, many of the Jews rounded up by the Nazis in Eastern Europe would have been previously evacuated far to the east. All together perhaps three million escape the Holocaust. The citizens of Khazaria SSR enthusiastically volunteer for the war. Several extra Red Army divisions are formed from Jewish recruits. At the end of the war, Khazaria becomes an attractive destination for many of Europe's surviving Jews.

Khazaria declares independence during the breakup of the Soviet Union. Much of the ethnic Russians leave for Russia and ethnic Kazakhs move east to Kazakhstan, establishing a Jewish absolute majority in the country. This would create a Jewish homeland 35 times the size of Israel and loaded with oil and natural gas resources with relatively friendly neighbors.


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Interesting idea, especially seeing as most Zionists at this point were also socialist. I could see it working. However, Stalin would have basically needed to forcibly deport all of the Jews to that region, many of them wouldn't have wanted to go live in the middle of Central Asia. Also, if Hitler had not had the opportunity to waste huge amounts of resources rounding up and massacring Jews, would the war have going differently? Just some thoughts...
 
Interesting idea, especially seeing as most Zionists at this point were also socialist. I could see it working. However, Stalin would have basically needed to forcibly deport all of the Jews to that region, many of them wouldn't have wanted to go live in the middle of Central Asia. Also, if Hitler had not had the opportunity to waste huge amounts of resources rounding up and massacring Jews, would the war have going differently? Just some thoughts...

Eh? The Nazis didnt really waste much manpower and transport on killing all the Jews. At least no enough to change any major outcome of the war.
 
This would of clashed heavily with the official policy of state atheism which the CCCP was operating under at the time.

Stalin did set up a Jewish Oblast for Yiddish speaking nationality. Besides he did so much deportations of minorities, it's almost a wonder he didn't deport more Jews.
 
IN soviet eyes Jews wasn't a religeous group, but a ethnic one.

How exactly are you coming to this conclusion? The Soviet Union was based upon materialist thought in regards to religion, Judaism does not fall in line with this thought, therefore adherents of the religion experienced a different degree of treatment from the Soviet State. Just like every other religious group.

The fact that they have a more specific culture associated with their religion does not necessarily remove the factor of religion from the discussion.
 
Interesting idea, especially seeing as most Zionists at this point were also socialist. I could see it working. However, Stalin would have basically needed to forcibly deport all of the Jews to that region, many of them wouldn't have wanted to go live in the middle of Central Asia. Also, if Hitler had not had the opportunity to waste huge amounts of resources rounding up and massacring Jews, would the war have going differently? Just some thoughts...

To be totally effective, forced deportation is necessary. However Khruschev's Virgin Lands Campaign in Kazakhstan wasn't unpleasant. This proposed territory is not far from the Volga and southern Urals, and thus not really out in the boonies despite technically being in Central Asia.

Any gains in German efficiency should be offset by a couple of million extra Soviet citizens contributing to the war effort through agriculture, industry, and conscription.
 
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Valdemar II

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How exactly are you coming to this conclusion? The Soviet Union was based upon materialist thought in regards to religion, Judaism does not fall in line with this thought, therefore adherents of the religion experienced a different degree of treatment from the Soviet State. Just like every other religious group.

The fact that they have a more specific culture associated with their religion does not necessarily remove the factor of religion from the discussion.

Well from the fact that they did set up a Jewish ASSR and in fact they treat the Jews as a ethnic group rather than a religious one. So in fact USSR did remove religion as a factor from defining people as Jews.
 
Well from the fact that they did set up a Jewish ASSR and in fact they treat the Jews as a ethnic group rather than a religious one. So in fact USSR did remove religion as a factor from defining people as Jews.

Just from the article you posted.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:
Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism"
 

Valdemar II

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Just from the article you posted.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:
Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism"

Read the bolded part again
 
Read the bolded part again

I never said that ethnicity was not a relevant factor, just that religion was as well. You on the other hand seem to be categorically implying it to be a matter entirely of ethnicity. Would you like me to bold the part of the article that supports my claim?

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:
Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism"
 
Stalin establishing a Khazar SSR for his Jewish citizens would likely constitute the propagandistic theory put forward by many antisemites suggesting that European Jewry is descended from the Khazars rather than the dispersed community that migrated to different parts of Europe in the decades and centuries after Bar Kochba's revolt.
 

Valdemar II

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Stalin establishing a Khazar SSR for his Jewish citizens would likely constitute the propagandistic theory put forward by many antisemites suggesting that European Jewry is descended from the Khazars rather than the dispersed community that migrated to different parts of Europe in the decades and centuries after Bar Kochba's revolt.

It would likely be official Soviet doctrine, but I doubt it would be popular outside USSR. Especially we would still see Israel be established. Israel would have interest in pushing a different doctrine.
 
It would likely be official Soviet doctrine, but I doubt it would be popular outside USSR. Especially we would still see Israel be established. Israel would have interest in pushing a different doctrine.

But it might further undermine Israeli-Soviet relations and further could enhance Arab antisemitism and Arab antizionism.

Of course, it might make ore sense to have a Khazar SSR in the Crimea rather than in Kazakhstan.
 

Valdemar II

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But it might further undermine Israeli-Soviet relations and further could enhance Arab antisemitism and Arab antizionism.

So instead of the Arabs really really hating the jews, they really really really hate the Jews. It's not going to make a big difference, for the arabs the Israeli is European imperialists, no matter what historical doctrine is popular.

For USSR, I don't see how it's going to change anything. While some Jews may be pissed over the relocation of the Jews, after 1945 they are going to forgive them.

Of course, it might make ore sense to have a Khazar SSR in the Crimea rather than in Kazakhstan.

Yes it would, but honestly I don't think this is a bad choice. The region is relative fertile (for Central Asia), massive underdeveloped and USSR knew it. For Stalin this could just be apoligy for develop the local region by transfer much of USSR's Jewish population to the area.

My personal guess is that the region would have 10 million people by 1989, it would be Yiddish speaking official, but a slight majority would use Russian.
 
Yiddish seems like the best language for this hypothetical republic, but given the Turkic name, perhaps a Turkic language would be promoted for use in the Khazar SSR.
 

Valdemar II

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Yiddish seems like the best language for this hypothetical republic, but given the Turkic name, perhaps a Turkic language would be promoted for use in the Khazar SSR.

I doubt it, I read up on the different historical theories about Yiddish, and one interesting (but obvious wrong) one is that Eastern Yiddish is descendent of Gothic with Turkish and Western Yiddish influence. So it would likely be the popular doctrine, that most Khazarian Jews spoke Gothic with heavily Turkish influence. It would keep USSR to have to force the entire Jewish population to learn and speak a language they didn't know.
 
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