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I'll get a Japanese order of battle post out sooner or later, but the Malayan Army is about 5.5 Infantry divisions, a reinforced tank brigade and some army level troops

The additional forces in Malaya compared to OTL is from a smaller invasion of Burma (1 division instead of 2) and the delay to invade Java. Also forces have been diverted to Malaya instead of Luzon (most of the Japanese army on Luzon is in camp at the road junctions north of Bataan instead of trying to actually punch through the lines so after the initial battles, their wastage rates are lower.

What? You can't scratch up an up-to-date OOB for every military force in a world war, on a moments notice? What a slacker...... o_O

(Green for sarcasm.. My head would explode trying to keep up with all the changes that Fester is juggling)
 
What? You can't scratch up an up-to-date OOB for every military force in a world war, on a moments notice? What a slacker...... o_O

(Green for sarcasm.. My head would explode trying to keep up with all the changes that Fester is juggling)
when in doubt, I keep it vague
and when I need details, I put it all in a bunch of spreadsheets with lots of notes.
 
Part of me is glad MacArthur's dead ITTL; he'd really be humiliated at Montgomery's success against the Japanese.

Postwar Malaya, having never fallen, will look very different ITTL, as will Burma (and India, with a lesser Bengal Famine ITTL)...
 
What? You can't scratch up an up-to-date OOB for every military force in a world war, on a moments notice? What a slacker...... o_O

(Green for sarcasm..
In the UK, green is the ink colour traditionally used by the differently sane/hard of thinking, when writing letters to the Prime Minister, etc.
 

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In the UK, green is the ink colour traditionally used by the differently sane/hard of thinking, when writing letters to the Prime Minister, etc.

:cool:I'm on a couple of unrelated US forums where green is the designated sarcasm indicator. It reduces the un-intended flame wars, by making your written intent more clear (in theory....) In my case, both the British and American usage works.....

"differently sane" - I like that...:D

*edit* I wasn't too sure if my intent would come across on the original message, so that's why I put in the explanation.
 
Who is currently in command of the Asiatic Fleet.. too many threads on this area right now three or four on this board alone.
 
Hey fester, really enjoying this timeline, keep it up. I have a "simple" question, what's the attitude of Thailand right now, with the Japanese advance stalling out and maybe even being pushed back across their border? I was curious, so I did a little reading, and that little reading was enough to make me realize that the politics of Thailand in this period are a tarpit. The current leadership OTL briefly resisted the intial Japanese invasion, but then threw in with Japan in the hope of regaining various territories in Malaya, Indochina and Burma. This was controversial even at the time. As the war went, there was a US sponsored Free Thailand movement, and the Japanese themselves did their usual outstanding work in "winning hearts and minds." By 1944 people were openly speculating about Thailand switching sides and called them the "Italy of Asia." TTL Japan's fortunes have not risen highly, and Thai popular and elite opinion have to think that they have all too quickly backed the wrong horse. Messy times ahead in Bangkok for sure.

My other little question; when does Japan run out of gas, literally? OTL Japan started with a stockpile of ~42 million barrels, which worked out to about 1 years consumption. Historically Japan conquered oil fields producing about 65 million barrels in the Southern Area (DEI plus British Borneo). Right now TTL the allies are sitting on a 30 million barrel a year field at Palembang, Sumatra, plus a few others, adding up to maybe half of that 65 million. Japan has maybe ~32-33 million barrels a year of potential production under control at this moment. But potential is not actual output, and even with less successful sabotage than OTL, it will still take time to get all those fields back in production. So Japan is already in the hole, and is getting sucked into a struggle for Timor, which even if they win, will probably compare with the OTL Guadalcanal campaign in terms of fuel spent, not to speak of the unit losses. Unless they can dramatically reverse the current momentum, will they even be able to fight in 1943? Or will Japan be full of soldiers full of fighting spirit, who, lacking the fuel to take them anywhere, will spend 1943 grubbing up Pine tree roots for their oil?
 
Hey fester, really enjoying this timeline, keep it up. I have a "simple" question, what's the attitude of Thailand right now, with the Japanese advance stalling out and maybe even being pushed back across their border? I was curious, so I did a little reading, and that little reading was enough to make me realize that the politics of Thailand in this period are a tarpit. The current leadership OTL briefly resisted the intial Japanese invasion, but then threw in with Japan in the hope of regaining various territories in Malaya, Indochina and Burma. This was controversial even at the time. As the war went, there was a US sponsored Free Thailand movement, and the Japanese themselves did their usual outstanding work in "winning hearts and minds." By 1944 people were openly speculating about Thailand switching sides and called them the "Italy of Asia." TTL Japan's fortunes have not risen highly, and Thai popular and elite opinion have to think that they have all too quickly backed the wrong horse. Messy times ahead in Bangkok for sure.

My other little question; when does Japan run out of gas, literally? OTL Japan started with a stockpile of ~42 million barrels, which worked out to about 1 years consumption. Historically Japan conquered oil fields producing about 65 million barrels in the Southern Area (DEI plus British Borneo). Right now TTL the allies are sitting on a 30 million barrel a year field at Palembang, Sumatra, plus a few others, adding up to maybe half of that 65 million. Japan has maybe ~32-33 million barrels a year of potential production under control at this moment. But potential is not actual output, and even with less successful sabotage than OTL, it will still take time to get all those fields back in production. So Japan is already in the hole, and is getting sucked into a struggle for Timor, which even if they win, will probably compare with the OTL Guadalcanal campaign in terms of fuel spent, not to speak of the unit losses. Unless they can dramatically reverse the current momentum, will they even be able to fight in 1943? Or will Japan be full of soldiers full of fighting spirit, who, lacking the fuel to take them anywhere, will spend 1943 grubbing up Pine tree roots for their oil?

Very interesting assessment Ian - with no victory in Malaya and stalemate in PH they may soon start limiting operations and start to turtle! Or more likely go all out for a big win!
 
Hart as of now. Glassford and Rooks are afloat with various cruiser groups

Even at this point the Asiatic fleet have lost USS Houston fighting it down and scuttle at the battle of Patani which I think was a good battle even though she could have lived more, USS Pensacola sunk by japanese aircraft before the battle of Timor which I wish she could have participated because she had a good radar, and the new light cruiser USS Norfolk sunk by torpedoes at the battle of Timor which I was rooting for her to get revenge on the Japanese but lost and which I am not happy. Would have prefer to have lost USS Marblehead and all the old 4 piper destroyers for Norfolk but its @fester TL and well its his decision. @fester just keep doing what your doing because this is one of my favorite threads I am reading. :)
 
Story 1244
April 12, 1942 Kuwait City

Africa Shell slowly entered the pearl diver's port. Her shaft was vibrating and her master wanted a day to examine the problem. She was carrying a load of 100 octane aviation fuel that was needed in Colombo and Perth for the training squadrons but they could survive if she was late by a day or even a week.
 
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April 8, 1942 Panama

The large, awkward looking submarine passed through the last lock that kept her from the Pacific Ocean. Soon she would dock to refuel and then head to Pearl Harbor. From there, her mission was uncertain.

Surcouf had traveled to the Canal Zone escorted by an armed yacht. They had been buzzed by Army Air Forces bombers conducting black sky anti-submarine patrols twice. The negoatiations to release her for duties in the Pacific had been long and ardouus. Her captain and the Free French authorities wanted to land on the Vichy controlled islands in the Gulf of St. Laurence. Her American suppliers disagreed. It took the promise of standing up two Free French fighter squadrons with the most modern American pursuit planes for the Free French to allow their greatest submarine asset to directly support the Americans instead of patrolling near Free French aligned possessions. And during that argument, her armament changed as her two eight inch guns were removed and replaced with a pair of four inch guns.

Send a supply ship with whatever spare MN torps that fit to her AO. You should have enough for at least a couple patrols, or longer depending on what mission she has. I have to agree on the change of gun, but as others have said, a 5"25 is a much better choice, or at least a pair of 3"50's. The 4" gun was good enough for surface actions, but your going to need a DP mount of some type.

Regarding her tubes. Why not use a sleeve or liner to decrease the size of the tube until the USN types fit?
 
Story 1245
April 12, 1942 New Caledonia
USS Kanawha left the harbor at high tide. Her tanks were empty and she almost bounced along with the sea. The patrol yacht was waiting for her and two dry goods ships that needed to return to Pearl Harbor. As soon as she passed into the inner harbor, her crew would be ready to refill her oil holds and bring aboard fresh food for another trip to the tropical South Pacific.
 

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April 12, 1942 New Caledonia
USS Kanawha

Based on this entry, I had to look up USS Kanawha. This "milk run" through the South Pacific was her historic pattern till she got looped into the Solomons Campaign in 1943. Didn't end well there, but the current fight in this timeline is much farther to the north and west, so?....
 
Based on this entry, I had to look up USS Kanawha. This "milk run" through the South Pacific was her historic pattern till she got looped into the Solomons Campaign in 1943. Didn't end well there, but the current fight in this timeline is much farther to the north and west, so?....
The US PacFlt will still need forward fuel depots if they operate in the Coral Sea or further west
 
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