Keynes' Cruisers Volume 2

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As it's confession time...

Bachelor degree in Economics with Mathematics and Statistics (1976, Sheffield, UK)

Bachelor degree from the Open University, UK. Open award but primarily History with a bit of linguistics and a refresher course in statistics
 
Jesus, no wonder I feel under-educated on this site. A simple BA in History from Wisconsin, with a Broadfield Social Studies minor and teaching certification (7-12). I also taught in the US Army Reserve Forces School (Field Medic and Chemical Weapons Specialist) for 10 years. I did grow up in a house full of books and with a father who, although only a high school graduate, stressed education heavily.
 
Ok,I left school in 1975 with one A-level pass (geography) and did not go to college or university, took a second A level at night school (land surveying) Eventually did a masters degree (by research) in modern war studies five years ago. Time to stop dragging this off topic I think.
 

Driftless

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I did grow up in a house full of books and with a father who, although only a high school graduate, stressed education heavily.

I can relate to that. My dad had a high school education, but was a life-long crossword puzzler. He loved the quirks of language and took great glee in dropping a ten dollar word (with appropriate usage) into any random conversation.
 
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Makassar City, January 25, 1943


The Dauntlesses tipped over. Marine aviators released their five hundred pound bombs at fifteen hundred feet. The targets were only a few hundred yards in front of the 2nd Marine Division’s forward scouts. As soon as the bombers had cleared the area, the 11th Marines started firing again. They were coordinating their own fire as well as two attached Army heavy field artillery battalions.


The ten minute bombardment ended. Another half a dozen Marine Avengers appeared. They descended in thirty degree dives to release two dozen heavy bombs. Even as the reverbations stopped, eight Marine tanks and three companies of riflemen started to advance. Japanese machine gunners started to fire. Knee mortars belched. American mortar teams were responding, men rapidly slammed steel eggs into the tube and the stockpiles quickly shrank. Even as a medium tank flared up after a pair of anti-tank guns scored their first and only kill, the seventy five millimeter cannons spat out high explosive shells. Engineers with flame throwers and satchel charges began to clear the bunker. Men rushed in with bayonets ready to slaughter defenders not stunned by exploding grenades.


The push continued as the fighter field just outside of the city was halfway taken.
 

Driftless

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Just looking at Google maps (in the satellite view), the area north and east of Parepare (landing zone) looks to be relatively flat. Once the Allies have taken Makassar and its airfield, might that area near Parepare be useful for a larger airfield or two? That is if Borneo and other DEI northern islands are next on the hit list. Or is Makassar just one square in a game of hopscotch to be leaped from at earliest convenience?
 

Ramp-Rat

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Left my Secondary Modern in 1976 with an A level in Economics, and now have a bachelors degree in life, from the school of hard knocks and work.

RR.
 
Mare Island, California January 25, 1943

USS Boise left the shipyard... The big, veteran, light cruiser had seen her weapons fit significantly altered. ...The single purpose five inch guns had been replaced with their longer dual purposed descendents.
IOTL Boise never received this upgrade - she was in dockyard hands from 19 November 1942 until 20 March 1943 at Philadelphia, following damage at Cape Esperance, but the 5"/25s remained. Does this reflect the simple fact that there are more 5"/38s available ITTL?
 
Ok,I left school in 1975 with one A-level pass (geography) and did not go to college or university, took a second A level at night school (land surveying) Eventually did a masters degree (by research) in modern war studies five years ago. Time to stop dragging this off topic I think.

Left school in 1966 with five CSE's (Certificates in Secondary Education) - grade 1 = 'O' level (mine were 2s & 3s). Went to College (full-time) next-year to do five GCE 'O' levels got one - English language!
Fast forward to 1991, after going on numerous courses via work and feeling not over-shadowed by senior people there, started part-time evening Further Education - Business related. First BTEC National Certificate (NC) - equivalent to two 'A' levels, a two year course. Another two years later had my cap and gown graduation ceremony for BTEC Higher National Certificate (HNC). Took a year off - studying that is - then for another three years, another graduation ceremony with a BA (Hons) Degree.
 
Retired career firefighter, BA double major Political Science and World History, minor in Macro Economics, Associates Degree in Fire Science, Cancer survivor, Photographer and researcher for multiple authors.
 
Don't forget that out of every 2-4 soldiers, save one grenade to commit seppuku rather than be captured - unless of course you can lie doggo and sucker in an enemy to take with you.
 
A veteran of the disastrous Papua New Guinea campaign said that every Japanese soldier defending the island would fight to the last bullet, but everyone always kept a final grenade for themselves, no matter how sickly or wounded they were. That's bushido for you.
 
the Boise's dual purposed guns in the orginal timeline may have been the 5 inch gun that the Saratoga get because of her spending half of 1942 in drydock due to battle damage.
 

thorr97

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There were several factors in the German and Japanese failure to do this sort of thing, one of which was the thinking that the conflict would be short and therefore "long range" thinking was superfluous. Once you started burning up your experienced folk on the front lines, you got in to a death sprial.

I don't think it was so much that the Germans and Japanese were incapable of "long range" thinking as it was their fighting the only sort of war they could win - a short and victorious one.

One in which they gained more than it cost them to wage and one which was over before the effort of fighting it broke their economies in the process. That meant such wars had to be overwhelming right from the start so everything had to be bent toward the offense. Setting things up to be able to fight a long war - as wars of attrition are - would mean losing the war before it was started. So it was all for the offense as that would ensure it was but a quick war as a quick war was the only sort of war they could afford and the only sort of war they could win.

Extensive training systems and rotating combat veterans out of the front lines to share their experience with the trainees was not therefore something either the Germans nor the Japanese could afford. Doing so would've reduced their ability to remain on the offensive in the overwhelming manner necessary to keep the war short and victorious.

Thus they set up their militaries to fight the only sort of war they could afford to fight - short and victorious. And when they failed to keep that war short and failed to be victorious in the initial attempt, they really had no further options. If they started pulling their experienced troops back and redistributed them amongst the units being trained up then that would've reduced the combat efficiency of the units still at the front. And that would've been disastrous in keeping the Allies at bay.

By the time it was apparent that their initial strategy had failed it was too late. They couldn't afford the sort of "combat tours" the Allies used to pull our experienced troops back for training new recruits. They'd not the manpower to afford the initially higher losses such a policy created. And yet leaving those experienced troops in place meant that experience couldn't be disseminated throughout the rest of the military and thus it was inevitably lost in the constant attrition of combat.

The Germans and Japanese had to go to war. Their economies depended upon it. Without the plunder to be gained from their "short and victorious" wars those economies would've crashed. And such crashes would've invalidated the authority of the Nazis over the German people and the militarists over the Japanese people. So, in typical fashion, they rushed into the wars and fought them in the only way they could hope to have won them - all emphasis being on the offense and gambling they'd be able to win them quickly.

They simply couldn't afford "long range" thinking. Not and keep their hold on power at the same time.
 
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