Kennedy v. Nixon 1972

So let's assume a famous POD, that RFK lives in '68. However, RFK does not win the Democratic nomination, and Hubert Humphrey wins the nomination and loses to Nixon. So basically, it's the OTL plus Robert Kennedy.

So here's my question: What if RFK challenges President Nixon in 1972? And what would happen if Nixon is reelected, or if Kennedy is elected?
 
RFK does not challenge Nixon in '72. He uses the opportunity to solidify his position as de facto Democratic leader through the Nixon years, and gets to relive his '50s career during Watergate, though far too partisan to be a member of the Ervin Committee (despite a good relationship with Ervin IOTL). Probably tops the Enemies' List. In '76 the WH is his for the taking unless Reagan beats Ford, in which case it's a nailbiter.
 
I don't think RFK runs in 72. If he did, I believe Nixon woud beat him. It would be closer than McGovern
's effort. But still a losing effort. In 76 RFK beats all comers. It does not matter who he faces. The question is who does he pick to be VEEP. Carter wanted to run with McGovern in 72. In 76 he would have ran with EMK if beated out by him. Yet I have the feeling RFK would not have felt comfortable with Carter. So maybe Bentson, or Askew?
 
I don't think RFK runs in 72. If he did, I believe Nixon woud beat him. It would be closer than McGovern
's effort. But still a losing effort. In 76 RFK beats all comers. It does not matter who he faces. The question is who does he pick to be VEEP. Carter wanted to run with McGovern in 72. In 76 he would have ran with EMK if beated out by him. Yet I have the feeling RFK would not have felt comfortable with Carter. So maybe Bentson, or Askew?


who Askew (haw haw haw!)

Bentsen as LBJ without the social concerns or earthiness, or something like that. (Bentsen would drive a Lincoln for election years, and in non-election years, he'd drive his Mercedes.)


edit: I'm still kind of surprised that Bentsen was "only" 85 when he died five years ago. His father (Lloyd Sr.) died in 1989 at the age of 94 in a car accident.
 
RFK does not challenge Nixon in '72. He uses the opportunity to solidify his position as de facto Democratic leader through the Nixon years, and gets to relive his '50s career during Watergate, though far too partisan to be a member of the Ervin Committee (despite a good relationship with Ervin IOTL). Probably tops the Enemies' List. In '76 the WH is his for the taking unless Reagan beats Ford, in which case it's a nailbiter.

He'd still stay the Democratic Senator from NY 'till '76.

How about this affecting House/Senate relationships? The HoR Majority Leader would be Tip O'Neill after Hale Boggs' death, and since he was louder and more forceful than Albert, he would have been essential in the House/Senate relationship. RFK didn't really respect O'Neill, Tip didn't like RFK's ruthlessness. This might have complicated internal Democratic affairs.

RFK wins in '76. Wasn't there a timeline called The Spirit of '76, the fall and rise of Bobby Kennedy?
 
RFK is also up for reelection in '76, but with his longtime ally Hugh Carey in the Governor's Mansion the Legislature probably rams through an LBJ law. He would probably ask Carey to appoint Moynihan as his replacement.

In the Senate, Mansfield is stil Majority Leader unless he retires earlier. Either Ted or Robert Byrd become Majority Leader in that case.
 
RFK is also up for reelection in '76, but with his longtime ally Hugh Carey in the Governor's Mansion the Legislature probably rams through an LBJ law. He would probably ask Carey to appoint Moynihan as his replacement.

In the Senate, Mansfield is stil Majority Leader unless he retires earlier. Either Ted or Robert Byrd become Majority Leader in that case.

He'd have the opposite relationship that Grover Cleveland had, then. Good relationship with the Senate, bad relationship with the House.

The Speaker would have been Tip O'Neill, and while I'm sure O'Neill would have tried his best to accommodate the President's policies as a party man, he would have held a grudge against RFK's staff and RFK himself for essentially being the "Irish Mafia" that kept Congressional leaders out of the loop during the JFK Administration.

Off topic, but there was this famous joke that when a thief came into the White House, Frances Cleveland told her husband "There's a thief in the house!" to which Grover sleepily responded, "Maybe in the Senate, honey, but not in the House!".

Just felt I had to share that :D.

Note: The Irish Mafia was made up of Kenny O'Donnell, Dick Donahue, and Larry O'Brien, and the like. As you probably know, they were Kennedy's campaign advisers and officials in his administration.
 
RFK wasn't too fond of the Mafia on occasion. Mainly because he didn't like them acting as Jack's pimps, to be blunt.
 
RFK wasn't too fond of the Mafia on occasion. Mainly because he didn't like them acting as Jack's pimps, to be blunt.

Yep. RFK was the one who hushed up all the affairs and did all the dirty work. But he was the head honcho there in terms of politics. The science of politics, something Obama is also very good at.
 
List of Presidents
Robert Kennedy 1977-1985 (D)
Jerry Brown 1985-1997 (D)
Jack Kemp 1997-2005 (R)
Elizebeith Dole 2005-2009 (R) 1
John F Kennedy Jr. 2009-2012 (D) 2
Al Sharpton 2012-2021 (D) 3
Jon Huntsman 2021-) (R) 4

1: First Woman President
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