Calling it now. President Baker in 1977 🤪
Keep up the good work. Still reading after all these years.
Keep up the good work. Still reading after all these years.
Keeping the British Liberal Party flag flying high
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We will see if Norma Jeane Baker is elected President in 1976. Though that year might be too early for a woman to run for President, so she might be elected Vice-President.
Thank you for the complinent. I'm glad you are still reading this TL.
The election to the Welsh Parliament, or Senedd, took place on Thursday 4 May 1967. There were 61 seats, of which 36 were single member constituencies, and 25 additional member seats grouped in five constituencies which each elected five members. The 36 constituencies corresponded to the Westminster constituencies. The five additional member constituencies were North Wales, Mid Wales, South Wales, South-East Wales, South-West Wales.
The number of seats in the Senedd won by each party were as follows (C=constituency seats, A=additional member seats):
Socialist Labour: C - 18, A - 8, total- 26
Liberal: C - 14, A - 9, total- 23
Conservative: C - 4, A - 5, total - 9
Plaid Cymru: C - 0, A - 3, total - 3
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Total: C - 36, A - 25, total - 61
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The Conservatives won Barry, Flintshire West, and Monmouth, which went Liberal in the June 1964 general election. Brecon and Radnor, and Swansea were Socialist Labout seats which were Liberal in 1964.
The number of seats in the Senedd won by each party were as follows (C=constituency seats, A=additional member seats):
Socialist Labour: C - 18, A - 8, total- 26
Liberal: C - 14, A - 9, total- 23
Conservative: C - 4, A - 5, total - 9
Plaid Cymru: C - 0, A - 3, total - 3
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Total: C - 36, A - 25, total - 61
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The Conservatives won Barry, Flintshire West, and Monmouth, which went Liberal in the June 1964 general election. Brecon and Radnor, and Swansea were Socialist Labout seats which were Liberal in 1964.
After the election to the Welsh Senedd, a Socialist Labour/Liberal coalition government was formed.
The Local Government Act 1966 abolished the Greater London Council (GLC) and the Greater London boroughs, and restored the London County Council (LCC) and the Middlesex County Council. It also restored the London boroughs, and the local authority districts in Essex, Kent, Middlesex, and Surrey abolished by the GLC. It also abolished the office of alderman.
County council and borough council elections were held on 4 May 1967. In the LCC elections the number of seats won by each party were as follows:
Socialist Labour: 54
Conservative: 39
Liberal: 39
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Total: 132
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A Socialist Labour/Liberal coalition took control of the LCC.
After the Middlesex County Council election, the Tories were the largest party but did not have an overall majority. So a Liberal/Socialist Labour coalition took control of the council.
In the London borough council elections the councils won by each party were as follows:
Socialist Labour: Battersea, Bermondsey, Bethnal Green, Deptford, Greenwich, Poplar, St. Pancras, Shoreditch, Southwark, Stepney, Woolwich. Total = 11.
The Conservatives won the following 10 boroughs:
Chelsea, Fulham, Hampstead. Holborn, Kensington, Lewisham, Paddington, St. Marylebone, Wandsworth, Westminster.
The Liberals won three boroughs: Hackney, Islington, Stoke Newington. A Socialist Labour/Liberal coalition took control in Camberwell, Hammersmith, and Lambeth. In Finsbury a Liberal/Socialist Labour coalition took control of the council.
The Local Government Act 1966 abolished the Greater London Council (GLC) and the Greater London boroughs, and restored the London County Council (LCC) and the Middlesex County Council. It also restored the London boroughs, and the local authority districts in Essex, Kent, Middlesex, and Surrey abolished by the GLC. It also abolished the office of alderman.
County council and borough council elections were held on 4 May 1967. In the LCC elections the number of seats won by each party were as follows:
Socialist Labour: 54
Conservative: 39
Liberal: 39
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Total: 132
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A Socialist Labour/Liberal coalition took control of the LCC.
After the Middlesex County Council election, the Tories were the largest party but did not have an overall majority. So a Liberal/Socialist Labour coalition took control of the council.
In the London borough council elections the councils won by each party were as follows:
Socialist Labour: Battersea, Bermondsey, Bethnal Green, Deptford, Greenwich, Poplar, St. Pancras, Shoreditch, Southwark, Stepney, Woolwich. Total = 11.
The Conservatives won the following 10 boroughs:
Chelsea, Fulham, Hampstead. Holborn, Kensington, Lewisham, Paddington, St. Marylebone, Wandsworth, Westminster.
The Liberals won three boroughs: Hackney, Islington, Stoke Newington. A Socialist Labour/Liberal coalition took control in Camberwell, Hammersmith, and Lambeth. In Finsbury a Liberal/Socialist Labour coalition took control of the council.
The Liberals thought that the GLC was too big and wanted to restore power to a more local level.
hmm Kent County Council would be pretty enormous if it got Bromley and Bexley back so not that Local........
In 1943 France proposed that Indochina became a federation with the French Union. Cambodia and Laos accepted, but the Viet Minh, led by Ho Chi Minh, wanted independence for Annam, Cochin China and Tonkin as Vietnam. From 1943 the Viet Minh fought for independence for Vietnam from France.
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After eight years of war, the Viet Minh fought France to a standstill with significant Chinese assistance. In 1953, Tonkin became an independent republic with Ho Chi Minh as President, while Annam and Cochin China remained part of the Federation of Indochina in the French Union. (1). However Tonkin was a puppet state of China. In tbis TL China did not become Communist in this TL.
(1) For Tonkin see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonkin_(French_protectorate).
(1) For Tonkin see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonkin_(French_protectorate).
Cambodia became independent in 1961 with Norodom Sihanouk as head of state. Also in 1961, Laos became independent with Souphouvong as Prime Minister. A year later his left wing Pathet Lao government was toppled by a US backed right wing coup. A civil war followed between royalist forces in the north, including the capital, Vientiane, and the Pathet Lao in the south.
Vietnam (formerly Annam and Cochin China), became independent in 1961. Ngo Dinh Diem became president. His refusal to hold democratic elections in 1962 and his persecution of the Buddhist majority, led to an uprising by the Viet Cong communist guerrillas. War broke out between the Viet Cong and the government
of Vietnam in 1963. The Viet Cong were strong in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. In 1963 they declared the People's Republic of Vietnam. They were allies of the Pathet Lao in southern Laos, which had declared the People's Republic of Laos in 1962.
The United States gave Diem economic and military aid, with military advisers, from 1963. President Nelson Rockefeller send American troops to Vietnam from March 1965. By March 1968 there were 120,000 American ground troops in Vietnam, and American planes were bombing the People's Republic of Vietnam, and the People's Republic of Laos, with the permission of the government of Laos.
of Vietnam in 1963. The Viet Cong were strong in the Central Highlands of Vietnam. In 1963 they declared the People's Republic of Vietnam. They were allies of the Pathet Lao in southern Laos, which had declared the People's Republic of Laos in 1962.
The United States gave Diem economic and military aid, with military advisers, from 1963. President Nelson Rockefeller send American troops to Vietnam from March 1965. By March 1968 there were 120,000 American ground troops in Vietnam, and American planes were bombing the People's Republic of Vietnam, and the People's Republic of Laos, with the permission of the government of Laos.
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All that fighting between France and Ho Chi Minh in the 1940s sans WW2 just to have Diem and the USA screw it up into a convergence with OTL half a generation later.
How did China end up again? If I remember correctly, West China (ROC) and East China (Japanese vassal) reunified peacefully circa 1950 as Japan transitioned away from direct conquest-colonialism... but what of Korea?
How did China end up again? If I remember correctly, West China (ROC) and East China (Japanese vassal) reunified peacefully circa 1950 as Japan transitioned away from direct conquest-colonialism... but what of Korea?
In 1943 China was divided into East China which was a Japanese puppet state, and West China (ROC). In 1949 after violent demonstrations in Beijing, Shanghai and other cities in East China, the armed forces of West China invaded East China in the Third Sino-Japanese War. West China received substantial military aid from the Soviet Union, including 'volunteers'. By 1955 East China was liberated and Chiang Kai-Shek was president of all China. However Manchuria and Taiwan were still part of the Japanese Empire. See post # 2649, page 133.
From 1959, Korea was fully integrated into Japan and represented in the Japanese parliament in accordance with its population. See post # 2652, page 133.
whoops I totally remembered the China part wrong. Peace is still hard to come by in East and Southeast Asia. Lots of local conflicts fomenting with outside interference. But is there a thematic Cold War or is it more like pre-WW2 realpolitik, colonialism, and the interactions of Great Powers?
The capital of the People's Republic of Laos was Salavan. (1). The capital of the People's Republic of Vietnam was Dak Gei. (2)
1968 was a presidential election year in the United States and the war in Indochina was a major issue. The Republican Party mostly supported American involvement in the war. The Social Democrats were opposed and called for withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam and the end to the bombing of the People's Republic of Laos. They also wanted to end the draft. The Democrats were divided about four to one in favour of the war.
At the Republican National Convention held in Miami Beach from 5 to 8 August 1968, President Nelson Rockefeller was almost unanimously nominated as candidate for President and Margaret Chase Smith for Vice-President.
(1) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salavan_(city).
(2) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dak_Glei
1968 was a presidential election year in the United States and the war in Indochina was a major issue. The Republican Party mostly supported American involvement in the war. The Social Democrats were opposed and called for withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam and the end to the bombing of the People's Republic of Laos. They also wanted to end the draft. The Democrats were divided about four to one in favour of the war.
At the Republican National Convention held in Miami Beach from 5 to 8 August 1968, President Nelson Rockefeller was almost unanimously nominated as candidate for President and Margaret Chase Smith for Vice-President.
(1) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salavan_(city).
(2) See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dak_Glei
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The Social Democrat National Convention took place in Oklahoma City from 12 to 15 August 1968. The delegates chose Philip Henderson Hoff, the Governor of Vermont, as their candidate for president, and Philip Burton, Representative from California, as vice-presidential candidate. (1)
At the Democratic National Convention held in Chicago from 26 to 29 August, the dellegates nominated Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, Senator from Washington, as candidate for president, and Sam Ervin, Senator from North Carolina, for the vice-presidential slot.
Election day was 5 November. When the polls closed the broadcasting networks covered the results as they came in. It soon became clear that the contest was between Rockefeller and Hoff, with the lead fluctuating from one to another. Hoff pulled away when the west coast states came in. The Hawaii result pushed him over the 268 electoral votes needed for victory. Rockefeller conceded graciously. There were wild celebrations in the Social Democrat headquarters,
The electoral votes for each ticket were as follows:
Hoff/Burton (Social Democrat) : 272
Rockefeller/Smith (Republican) : 213
Jackson/Ervin: (Democrat) : 53
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Total: 538
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Hoff/Burton won the following states: Alaska, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia. That is 19 states.
The following states were won by Rockefeller/Smith: Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Wyoming. That is 24 states.
The six states which voted for Jackson/Ervin were Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina.
Commentators said that this was the first election since 1860 that a candidate from a non traditional party won the presidency, and that it was the worst result for the Democratic Party in its history.
(1) For Hoff see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Henderson_Hoff, and for Burton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Burton.
At the Democratic National Convention held in Chicago from 26 to 29 August, the dellegates nominated Henry 'Scoop' Jackson, Senator from Washington, as candidate for president, and Sam Ervin, Senator from North Carolina, for the vice-presidential slot.
Election day was 5 November. When the polls closed the broadcasting networks covered the results as they came in. It soon became clear that the contest was between Rockefeller and Hoff, with the lead fluctuating from one to another. Hoff pulled away when the west coast states came in. The Hawaii result pushed him over the 268 electoral votes needed for victory. Rockefeller conceded graciously. There were wild celebrations in the Social Democrat headquarters,
The electoral votes for each ticket were as follows:
Hoff/Burton (Social Democrat) : 272
Rockefeller/Smith (Republican) : 213
Jackson/Ervin: (Democrat) : 53
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Total: 538
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Hoff/Burton won the following states: Alaska, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia. That is 19 states.
The following states were won by Rockefeller/Smith: Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Wyoming. That is 24 states.
The six states which voted for Jackson/Ervin were Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina.
Commentators said that this was the first election since 1860 that a candidate from a non traditional party won the presidency, and that it was the worst result for the Democratic Party in its history.
(1) For Hoff see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Henderson_Hoff, and for Burton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Burton.
The percentage votes for each presidential ticket were as follows [1964 election]:
Hoff/Burton [Social Democrat]: 39.2 [37.4]
Rockefeller/Smith [Republican]: 38.7 [37.7]
Jackson/Ervin [Democrat]: 21.8 [24.7]
Others: 0.3 [0.2]
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Total: 100.0 [100.0]
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Hoff/Burton [Social Democrat]: 39.2 [37.4]
Rockefeller/Smith [Republican]: 38.7 [37.7]
Jackson/Ervin [Democrat]: 21.8 [24.7]
Others: 0.3 [0.2]
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Total: 100.0 [100.0]
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