Karnate of Europe 1278

As I said in the other thread, we should not see any serious Mongol invasion of Europe as their RL campaigns, which were party probing, part limited conquest. Any serious attempted conquest would probably take at least a decade and launched only after Eastern Europe was thoroughly transformed into the Arsenal of the World (TM). Their invasion, when finally launched, would have been methodical, patient, and adopted to their opponents' tactics and strategy. Just like how they conquered China.

When they were fighting the Chinese, we have remember that they mostly fought as infantry, in that southern China was notorious difficult for cavalry, with forests, small mountains, and numerous canals and rivers dissecting the region. And the fact that there were numerous fortified points meant tons of siege warfare as well.

Their adaptability is at its peak, when they--who were nomads who only a generation ago had never a single warship to their name--built a mighty armada to take the fight to the central provinces of southern China. There's an old Chinese proverb that to take north China you need horses; to take south China you need ships.
 
Their adaptability is at its peak, when they--who were nomads who only a generation ago had never a single warship to their name--built a mighty armada to take the fight to the central provinces of southern China.
Could this mean they could stage an Italian mainland invasion via Dalmatia after the conquest of Hungary? Could they then also invade Britain?

What of Vassalages and the use of european mercanaries? Could they adapt to using european weaponary as they did in China to forrest and swamplands?

Is their any kind of unified counterattack possible by Europe? England perhaps with the expected fleeing refugee hordes?

Do they have enough indigenous Mongols to maintain a assemblance of such a culturally diverse intercontential Karnate?

Does this mean we may see freer movement of Europeans into Asia?
 
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What of Vassalages and the use of european mercanaries? Could they adapt to using european weaponary as they did in China to forrest and swamplands?

Given that the Mongols had superior weaponry as it was, I don't see why they'd want to.

I agree that Sweden and Norway will likly be ignored, unless they do something stupid. Just not worth the effort. Denmark is worse off, and England could go either way.

I would have expected the Mongols to eventually bog down, but after europe has taken quite a pounding.
 
Given that the Mongols had superior weaponry as it was, I don't see why they'd want to.

I agree that Sweden and Norway will likly be ignored, unless they do something stupid. Just not worth the effort. Denmark is worse off, and England could go either way.

I would have expected the Mongols to eventually bog down, but after europe has taken quite a pounding.

I think the Mongols would be able to rule for a few generations.

Let's give them a hundred years. Europe recovers quickly, with its merchants now able to access the vast Pax Mongolia Empire. Chinese inventions and tech come West much more quickly, and though the Mongol Emperors are Catholic they allow a wide degree of latitude, with an accompanying intellectual renaissance.

Perhaps most important for Europe, the Mongols wipe away the petty tribal kingdoms, and in this ATL are seen to have ended the "warring states" period that started after the fall of Rome.

The growth of the Church's power is especially remarkable. Pope Gregory, elected in the aftermath of the Mongol's destruction of Lombardy, is largely credited with converting Batu's son and convincing anti-Mongol Christian princes to swear allegiance to the new Roman Emperor. He also effectively made the Church the civil service of the new Mongol-created Roman Empire. Though the princes who submitted maintained some power, most Mongol-controlled provinces were ruled by a military governor in command of the provincial garrisons, and a bishop who ran the Church government. A 20% tax was collected, with half given to the Church and half to the Empire, while Church courts became the single legal system of Europe.

The Black Death, which hit Europe in the mid 14th century, marked the end of the Khan Dynasty in the Roman Empire. With Europe torn by conflict and disease, the "Emperor of the North", King of Britain, Norway and Ireland, Edward, was able to launch a successful invasion of Europe. The Church reached an agreement with Edward, and the though the Khans were able to flee east, where they continue to style themselves "Roman Emperor", they are really only the Emperor of the Rus.
 
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