I see.
Would you say that he's status quo in race or he wants to tighen segregation a bit?
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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Would you say that he's status quo in race or he wants to tighen segregation a bit?
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Would they have national holidays or similar celebrations? And would British aristocrats have an excuse to throw parties in Canada?
Yeah, they'd keep British national holidays tied to the monarchy and associated traditions alive, and they'd certainly throw parties to keep the feelings of their old life.
Probably status quo tbh. He doesn’t seem to me as a rabid racist like Pelly and most of the racist stuff he did seems to have been during his time as a local politician in Texas. Nationally, he was more a proponent of balancing the budget than expanding segregation.
Same thing. Algiers was and is still famous as a beautiful resort city. And much of the West African cities would still be seen as exotic and are beautiful too. I think by then they'd developed some immunity to the tropical diseases.
Do you think that France would hold over Africa in in the KR verse?
I think that the AF would do a mix of KR and OTL. Basically they would retreat but retain control like OTL, but they wouldn't set up republics, instead old kingdoms would remain.
I always feel like they would have to keep some or all of algeria. thousands or emigrés would’ve fled to north africa significantly increasing the european population. even after the fall of syndicalism some would stay in algeria and algeria would be even more integrated into and seen as a part of france proper. at best they keep all of algeria and at worst it’s divided between and european and arab state.
To be honest I agree. I just don't know if I'm about to be murdered for saying that Algeria could be kept in this forum, oh well...
The French always saw Algeria as part of France itself. That's why the Algerian War was much more personal than the First Indochina War.
AF, when not praying every day that Dreyfus burns in Hell, would likely set up kingdoms using conservative nationalists and the traditional chiefs but not as puppet states. They'd be still integral subjects of the Kingdom proper, autonomous regions at best. On the map, they'd still be part of France itself.
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Don't both France and Britain have democratic elections?
Though I've never seen anyone but Mosley win the British election.
Having elections not mean that they would are free and fair. Even North Korea has elections but you hardly can call that as democratic nation.
France and Britain (and Italy) do have mostly-democratic elections, however their systems are ripe for democratic backsliding owing to the temultuous natures of the post-revolutionary states. Both France and Britain have a faction (current lore France has two) who believe that the revolution needs to root out any counter-revolutionaries and defeat the supporters of said "counterrevolutionaries," real or imagined, and thus restrict previous liberties chasing ideological purity.
They also have factions that want to maintain their democratic systems, though those rarely win the elections in KR.
What makes Mosley such a winner? Is he actually popular, or do the Totalists rig the elections?
In both Britain and France, and likely also in Italy, Syndicalists are in power on 1/1/36. Wouldn't they want status quo? RadSocs, of course, want yet greater democracy.
Why does France have two Totalist factions anyway? How do the Jacobins and Sorelians differ? (Based on what the original Jacobins and Georges Sorel thought, the Jacobins are probably cultural extremists.)
I've always taken the view that various elections in 1936 (and '37, and '38) are really there to compress what should be years of political changes into HOI4's timeframe. It shouldn't be possible for, say, Norway to just completely flip to Syndicalism in such a short time.
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Honestly, the Sorelians are definitely the more “radical” faction in the Bloc Totaliste. The ideas of Sorel are wild, and without revealing too much, the KR Sorelians essentially believe that the revolution was stolen from the workers by a bureaucratic-intellectual caste, and that a new, uncompromising, violent revolution is needed. They see themselves as the ones holding the key of true syndicalism™️ and are ready to go against anyone that would stand in their way.
The Jacobins, or rather what we will replace them with, are openly revisionist and believe Syndicalism was only the first step, that to protect the revolution a new, strong ideology is needed. They’re mostly men coming from inside the system. It’s a less frenzied ideology, though they’re not prone to compromise either.
If we had to make OTL parallels, in vibes only and not ideology, the new “Jacobins” are the DDR, a squeaky clean, bureaucratic, technocratic, totalitarian state, the Sorelians are Red Guards’ era China, a totalitarianism enforced by the messy, ideologically frenzied masses.
You’re absolutely right that they hate each other though, the Sorelians are seen as a bunch of infantile thugs by their Jacobin “allies”, who in exchange are seen as effete bureaucrats that will be second on the purge list by the radical students and disappointed workers making up the ranks of Sorelians
Guesde is the biggest influence on one of the major parties in France, the Councilists, as per Rnk:
The socialist majors in the mod, namely the UoB and CoF, have somewhat old content and therefore don't have as many flavour events showing various facets of daily life and how they run. Most of the time they're certainly more democratic than the USSR was, but that doesn't really make them a paradise. This is still the 1930s, and the attitudes present in that period would still be present in both of those countries at least to a degree, but the socialist governments are likely to make more of an effort to combat them. In the case of racism specifically, combatting it also aligns with the socialist powers' goals of anticolonial agitation against both the Reichspakt and the Entente, so there's also a pragmatic angle to it.
Britain for instance has a big issue with a very authoritarian and otherwise horrible person in Mosley nearly at the top of their government, and that is something they will have to resolve one way or another in their rework, along with their backsliding away from democracy.
France in their rework has an issue with their democracy being rather dysfunctional, as their legislature is comprised of delegates from both councils and unions, and there are various inefficiencies connected to this setup, as you can see in this teaser in the part about The Commune and her Institutions. All five paths for the Commune will have various ways of dealing with this issue.
As for why both seem to be more successful in achieving their goals than the USSR was, one reason might be that their civil wars were shorter and far less destructive and also that they were far more industrialized from the outset than Russia was.
I hope that answered your question at least somewhat.
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