Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

Yorel

Xgentis said:
From what I read he advocated a strong presidential office voted by universal suffrage, a lot of his policies were picked by de Gaulle after the liberation. He wasn't a fascist he even was a resistant during the war.
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De La Rocque is basically regarded as a more authoritarian version of De Gaulle nowadays.

His Croix-de-feu were classified as a Far Right League but among those they were pretty calm and disciplined. De La Rocque was extremly critical of the Third Republic but he wanted to stay in the legality. The croix-de-feu did manifest on February 6, 1934 but they did so separately from other leagues, manifested calmly and dispersed peacefully on De La Rocque's orders. Other far right leaderss actually thought he betrayed them on that day while Léon Blum commented that if De La Rocque had pushed, the Assemblée Nationale would have been invaded.

Politically, his ideas are conservative but keep a Republican outlook. His main problem with the Third Republic, like De Gaulle, was the weakness of the executive compared to the legislative: he thus wanted a more presidential regime. And while conservative in terms of value, De La Rocque also did push for the more social aspects of christiannity he believed in: this is exemplified in the focus tree Gukpard shared by the fact he proposes a minimum wages, defend the creation of unions (though they're catholic and not syndicalists) and want to bridge the class divide. Note also that while conservartive, he advocates the right to vote for women.

Another aspect of De La Rocque that is often forgotten is that he was highly critical of totalitarian regimes. Not just of Communism, he also had no sympathies for Hitler or Mussolini. De La Rocque also had a tendency to fight other far right French leaders because of their defense of more extreme ideas, and tended to banish the more extreme elements of the Croix-de-feu and later PSF when he heard about them. Also important is that he was actively opposed to persecutions against the jews, something that is quite rare in the French Far Right at the time.

The man of course isn't perfect. He stayed with Vichy in 1940, though to be fair it's more out of legalism and loyalty to Pétain than a true approval of Vichy: he remained very critical of the collaboration. Still, he was no fan of De Gaulle and even when he did join the Résistance in 1941, he did so with one of the groups that wasn't under De Gaulle's leadership. The main reason for that being that De La Rocque's high anti-communism and his belief that De Gaulle had been collaborating with the communists from the start in his resistance movement. So he was definitely a bit less tolerant and pragmatic. You also can't completely discount his nationalism.

Basically, in Kaiserreich, he would probably fit better as a Social Conservative that borders on Authoritarian Democrat.
 
Gukpard

Gukpard

Yorel said:
De La Rocque is basically regarded as a more authoritarian version of De Gaulle nowadays.

His Croix-de-feu were classified as a Far Right League but among those they were pretty calm and disciplined. De La Rocque was extremly critical of the Third Republic but he wanted to stay in the legality. The croix-de-feu did manifest on February 6, 1934 but they did so separately from other leagues, manifested calmly and dispersed peacefully on De La Rocque's orders. Other far right leaderss actually thought he betrayed them on that day while Léon Blum commented that if De La Rocque had pushed, the Assemblée Nationale would have been invaded.

Politically, his ideas are conservative but keep a Republican outlook. His main problem with the Third Republic, like De Gaulle, was the weakness of the executive compared to the legislative: he thus wanted a more presidential regime. And while conservative in terms of value, De La Rocque also did push for the more social aspects of christiannity he believed in: this is exemplified in the focus tree Gukpard shared by the fact he proposes a minimum wages, defend the creation of unions (though they're catholic and not syndicalists) and want to bridge the class divide. Note also that while conservartive, he advocates the right to vote for women.

Another aspect of De La Rocque that is often forgotten is that he was highly critical of totalitarian regimes. Not just of Communism, he also had no sympathies for Hitler or Mussolini. De La Rocque also had a tendency to fight other far right French leaders because of their defense of more extreme ideas, and tended to banish the more extreme elements of the Croix-de-feu and later PSF when he heard about them. Also important is that he was actively opposed to persecutions against the jews, something that is quite rare in the French Far Right at the time.

The man of course isn't perfect. He stayed with Vichy in 1940, though to be fair it's more out of legalism and loyalty to Pétain than a true approval of Vichy: he remained very critical of the collaboration. Still, he was no fan of De Gaulle and even when he did join the Résistance in 1941, he did so with one of the groups that wasn't under De Gaulle's leadership. The main reason for that being that De La Rocque's high anti-communism and his belief that De Gaulle had been collaborating with the communists from the start in his resistance movement. So he was definitely a bit less tolerant and pragmatic. You also can't completely discount his nationalism.

Basically, in Kaiserreich, he would probably fit better as a Social Conservative that borders on Authoritarian Democrat.
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1SaBy said:
And that's what he is.
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Just one thing, on the tree I posted he's a pataut. I asked why and the "The world set free" team replied that he toned down his authoritarism OTL when the croix de feu was turned on his party, and this is not happening on the mod.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

Twiggierjet said:
I asked on the discord about the status of opposition parties in the CoF, and was told that it actually is possible for someone openly critical of the revolution to get elected on the local level, but anything higher then that is non-viable for a variety of reasons.

However, former non-socialists who agreed to pay lip service to the revolution or even outright accept it can be found at all levels of government, and will be represented by various special interest groups who take up the slots of the non-socialist ideologies in place of actual parties. The example given was that the social conservative ideology slot will be taken by catholic trade unions, and presumably some others will as well.

I asked who, if anyone, will represent the market liberals because marklib syndies are hilarious, but have yet to receive an answer. Will keep you all updated.
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On that note, the SocLibs are stated to be remnants of the parliamentary/reformist left while the SocDems are Catholic socialists.
 
Sherman Van Buren

Sherman Van Buren

The thread came up on the HOTB discord server and the dev who made the De La Rocque tree posted his perspective on if he was a fascist:

"As for DLR, he was by no means a fascist. He challenged anti-semitism (though he also opposed Jewish immigration) and was far more legalist and pragmatic than other fascist leaders. He never allowed his dispos to engage in the same kind of street violence and illegality as the SA or Camicie Nere, and he took a firmly anti-German stance (although genuine fascists admittedly did as well). He was very much an authoritarian populist, and had he taken power his rule would have been rather dictatorial, but it's very reductive to equate him to Mussolini. Salazar, Vargas, Peron, and Dollfuss are probably the OTL leaders that his agenda was closest to...

Calling him a "French Huey" is if anything more crude and reductive than calling him a fascist. I don't think that being generally populist makes you [nationality] Huey Long."

These are his thoughts, not mine, I quite frankly don't know anything about him beyond his Wikipedia page.
 

Yorel

Gukpard said:
Just one thing, on the tree I posted he's a pataut. I asked why and the "The world set free" team replied that he toned down his authoritarism OTL when the croix de feu was turned on his party, and this is not happening on the mod.
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Seems logical. De La Rocque was a military man after all so even if he intends to restore democracy (on his terms), he'd probably have serious authoritarian tendencies. Plus, given the situation of National France at the start, De La Rocque might be considering that he starts leading a Provisionnal Government and that democratization needs to wait until the mainland's under control.
 

Twiggierjet

I received a response, and the marklib slot in France will be occupied by essentially an organization of small business owners/self-employed types.
 
Gukpard

Gukpard

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chankljp

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Gukpard said:
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Seeing as that Hearst pretty much invented yellow journalism and the use of 'fake news' as a political tool in the modern era, I can only imagine the type of news stories that he will exaggerate or outright fabricate during the Second American Civil War to use against the CSA, AUS, and the Federal government alike.

I expect him publishing news stories on the streets under the CSA's control in the Steel Belt and the AUS' control in the South being bathed in blood (True, but exaggerated), members of the middle class working in the automotive industry in Detroit and heavy industry in Chicago getting hung from lampposts by syndicalist militiaman after a revolution trial at an impromptu 'People's Court' (Mostly true, but not nearly as widespread and he made it out to be)... While their crying children gets dismembered alive in front of their still dangling parents as a way for the syndicalist to 'remove capitalism by the roots' (Absolutely untrue).

While for the AUS, expect stories about them being Neo-Confederates that wants to bring back slavery, painting the Silver Legion as if they were the entire movement, and horror stories about how Long's Minuteman are going full Turner Diaries in the areas that they capture, with the KKK running wild, and lynching anyone they do not like.
 
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Gukpard

Gukpard

chankljp said:
Seeing as that Hearst pretty much invented yellow journalism and the use of 'fake news' as a political tool in the modern era, I can only imagine the type of news stories that he will exaggerate or outright fabricate during the Second American Civil War to use against the CSA, AUS, and the Federal government alike.

I expect him publishing news stories on the streets under the CSA's control in the Steel Belt and the AUS' control in the South being bathed in blood (True, but exaggerated), members of the middle class working in the automotive industry in Detroit and heavy industry in Chicago getting hung from lampposts by syndicalist militiaman after a revolution trail at an impromptu 'People's Court' (Mostly true, but not nearly as widespread and he made it out to be)... While their crying children gets dismembered alive in front of their still dangling parents as a way for the syndicalist to 'remove capitalism by the roots' (Absolutely untrue).

While for the AUS, expect stories about them being Neo-Confederates that wants to bring back slavery, painting the Silver Legion as if they were the entire movement, and horror stories about how Long's Minuteman are going full Turner Diaries in the areas that they capture, with the KKK running wild, and lynching anyone they do not like.
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You can predict the future, my friend

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