Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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Kinda mixed on this idea. On the one hand, I'm quite excited to see what could be worse than someone whose rule is somewhere between ultra-nationalist Stalin and IngSoc. On the other, Mosley being the uber-evil ultimate villain of Britain and the Second Weltkrieg has always been a classic part of Kaiserreich and I'd be more then a bit sad if someone one-ups him in Britain itself.
The first thing that popped into my head on who it would be was some far-right National Populist military coup that has to purge the population to enforce its rule, ala the DSR taking over Germany in TNO, but thinking about it more the idea doesn't make much sense. Aside from the obvious "OTL Nazi becoming a totalist" option, does anyone know of some Mao-Esque British Communist (as in trying to destroy the old society and completely remake it in a revolutionary image) in the 1930s that could possibly be a contender if they exist?
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Maybe this path is if there's a Second Peace with Honor where the Brits lose the war but remain intact under Democratic Syndicalism; the backlash over this leads to a group of Red Fascists taking power and turning Fortress Britain into Airstrip One, the last bastion against reaction.
The devs have stated that the guy worse than Mosley isn't that cursed IRL, so Mitford is out most likely.
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I agree! I like the "redemption" arc from almost blindly following Mosley and party unity but becoming disillusioned with the idea of total control and adopting more populist and libertine views with his own coup against the government. I'll miss this, honestly, and if the lore rewrites him to being supportive of someone like King Edward I'll be displeased. (Quite the understatement!)
I personally hope Kaiserredux does something like this in the future, and as cool as KX is (Titoist Illyria, a Korea that can go down almost any path kind of like in Thousand-Week Reich, and maybe Miklos Horthy being a pirate king in the Adriatic but that's pushing it) it's too memey for my tastes, for instance a technocratic totalist USA, Nestor Makhno's
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I apologize if I sound a bit angry, it's not at you, but why to the devs insist on doing a purge of most everything fans like? People like certain DH devs can be immature but I honestly get their point on how stuff people love in KR is constantly getting removed.
To be honest, I never got the excessive love for old KR.
A lot of old content was just plain memes, low effort, shock value, totally implausible stuff(Wrangel being a Nazi!) or substituted more interesting people that could fit a scenario for memey people that actually didn't fit the scenario they wanted, or just done with wikipedia tier research, and were made during a time when the standards regarding ah were much less enforcable and there was a bit more "throw the stuff on the wall and see if it sticks". Case in point: Kerensky surviving as long as he could, Ungern Sternburg surviving as long as he can and restored Qing Empire, as well as a nonsensical La Plata in South America. I know that the Chinese devs fought tooth and nail to try to get them(Sternburg and Qing) removed, obviously they failed but what we're seeing is a compromise.
A lot of tropes that were more accepted back then aren't as accepted now, and the ah "profession" is more grounded(for instance you see AlternateHistoryHub's videos getting less wild). Part of it has to do with this site actively discouraging against some of the more outlandish tropes in ah, or tropes that were revealed to be implausible with further research unless they're told in a really interesting way(ie: Axis victory, with the "told in a interesting way" exception being for stuff like TWR and a certain other mod I will not mention to not invoke the wrath of someone here that I know hates it). And they're not systematically cutting out every implausible stuff related to KR. The 2ACW and Kerensky are remaining because they are at least interesting stories despite the lack of plausibility.
I will agree that Orwell being removed through to some degree is not a good move. Because he is one I can see having that specific arc.
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I guess I agree with this to an extent. Wrangel being Russia's Hitler was out there, I can see the same for La Plata.
But some stuff, like the Qing and especially Sternberg (just Sternberg himself - I can see how Khan II specifically may be a bit too much), I feel are interesting and well-liked enough to merit the suspension of disbelief, like how TWR is that for Axis victories. They were ultimately kept in yes, but some other stuff I feel that also can be applied to, like Beria in Georgia, Khruschev in Ukraine, or Triad Legation Cities, haven't been so lucky. Heck one of the main things in Kaiserreich's lore, Socialist Britain, I've seen criticized for being too unrealistic. The point is, at least for me, they provide a scenario that's interesting enough and I'm attached too while not going into complete meme mode like Hitler-Wrangel or Khan II, even if they aren't the most realistic.
At that's sort of connected to another problem I have with Kaiserreich's realistic direction: how arbitrary the realism can feel. Stuff like 2ACW is out there, but the same way they kept Sternberg in while removing Khan II there are ways you can improve it while not destroying what people like, but they just... don't. So you end up with stuff like Integralist De Gaulle and
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Huey is explicitly not a neo-Confederate, he's basically American Putin. I agree with your general point, though!
It's because it made no sense. KR is trying to get away from the old lore that was super memey and is trying to make their world feel more realistic and plausible. I personally didn't like Blair's role in KR because it obvious that they put him in to be the exact opposite of who he was IRL. I always enjoy AH that feels more realistic, so I wholeheartedly support KR changing the lore to feel more plausible.
I guess on some level it's a matter of one's taste, and whether you value the realism or wackier/"fun" (not trying to say realistic can't be fun) stuff. I still think socialist Britain is a sign of how unrealistic can be good and I definitely wish they weren't so arbitrary about it, but I do understand how the general idea realism is appealing in a different way, even if I don't agree with it. Again, a matter of one's taste.
True, Neo-Confederate definitely wasn't the right word looking back, there's even an event on how Huey stops supporters from carrying the confederate flag IIRC. Should have said something more general like Dixiecrat. I feel like comparing Long to someone like Putin is unfair though- Long is actually making real and massive improvements to Louisiana and America should he win, as opposed to most post-Soviet strongmen who just create an oligarchy and let the country rot.
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From a writing POV, I love Huey almost as much as I love Reed. Huey as the tragic villain brought down by his own ego, to Reed's tragic hero brought down by his impatience and surfeit of compassion. They both genuinely want to fix the country, but Huey's selfish arrogance makes him an authoritarian thug who breaks America enough for MacArthur to justify his coup, and Reed's desperation makes him impetuous and willing to break democratic norms that alienate moderates and even part of his own party, breaking America enough for MacArthur to justify his coup.
Olson being a different kind of tragic hero--a guy who was literally minutes from saving America, only to be foiled by the cowardice of his own subordinates.
Honestly, I love the 2ACW arc. All the leaders in the leadup work so damn well in showing how despite their genuine desire to fix things (except MacArthur) they contribute unintentionally to the fall of their nation.
The aftermath also is pretty damn good. The multiple paths for the major successor states are great, I love how each one has something unique to it (AUS's power struggle, CSA's new constitutional convention, USA junta's creeping stratocracy, PSA's fully-functional multiparty democracy).
I agree wholeheartedly. Fun fact: IIRC, Blair’s role in the UoB, the concept of Totalism and the whole counter-Mosleyist arc were actually thought of by Meadow of AH.com fame
