Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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At the time of the British revolution, Mosley was a 25 year old freshman in Parliament with populist views and clear sympathy towards the working class. Keynes was a 40 year old professor who worked in the British government before and held little if any sympathy towards socialism.
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Also, here's a dev explanation-
"Keynes is a prominent member of the Mosley cabinet primarily due to the appreciation that Oswald Mosley had for Keynes (this is present both in real life and in the timeline of Krasnacht). His economic policies were needed to help the Union of Britain survive, although the implementation of Keynesianism here is a bit different from real life. The British economy under Mosley is a kind of almost fascist social democracy, reflecting the complex nationalist and social democratic politics of Mosley himself."
...what, no he didn't. His contemporaries called him a socialist because they mistakenly assumed (and still assume) that Keynesianism = mass government spending, but he never considered himself a socialist and viewed his theory as a capitalist theory. Hell, in chapter 3 of his General Theory, he had this to say about socialism:
Keynes did respect individual socialists and understood that he could cooperate with them (Mosley included), but if he stayed in KR Britain in 1925, he would have gotten hanged.
Mosley first met Keynes in 1930, five years after the British revolution happens and Keynes flees to Canada with the rest of British elite.
Nah, the UoB's revolution is a pretty soft takeover by moderates who get pushed in power by a more revolutionary working class, I doubt they'd tolerate those kind of excesses. Keynes isn't an icon of what people were fighting anyway, just a random well off academic. Like a lot of people in his circumstance, he'll just adapt rather than join the doomed exile.
The British revolution is not soft, neither now nor in the planned rework (especially in the rework). No revolution is, really, and Keynes is precisely a part of the demographic which would much rather stay in Canada rather than live in the UoB (being wealthy, a former member of the government, and not socialist).
The rework, from what we have been shown thus far, has the early revolution as soft and with a strong presence of non-socialists (remember, one thing we've been told is that the Liberal Party remained a major force in the elected parliament after the revolution), giving more credence to people like Keynes remaining in Britain and not being hanged. The problem being that this is no longer the state of affairs by 1936, with a shift to an authoritarian self-defined socialist regime, and Mosley has been an active force in cracking down on "counter-revolutionaries" - not exactly the kind of thing that'd endear non-socialists to him.
I remember there was someone saying that the British civil war was legitimate and that by retaking Britain the Canadians would be "shooting at protestors*.
Really, people think that the government collapsed and no one supported the monarchy? Even in 1919 Germany you had the country crumbling before Stressman and the golden years of Weimar Republic, there is no reason to be different on the UoB.
I'm going to be honest, I kinda like most of the lore as is. I just think that the election events should be more dynamic and the Lawrence coup reworked into a Lawrence-Blair co-production against Mosley post-war, with concurrent civil unrest and other consequences before a possible WK3 with Savinkov.
The early revolution is definitely one of moderates being pushed in power. By 36, things have moved forward, and when Mosley takes power, it accelerates, but Mosley would also be sympathetic to someone like Keynes if he proves himself useful so that's not a problem. It's likely the exiles left in one big wave at the beginning, and most people who showed willingness to accept the revolutionary order were fine because it wasn't that revolutionary. It's just the usual Labour party but instead of winning an election, they accidentally fall into power through popular pressure. I'm sure there's going to be some ugliness on the side as people take it as an opportunity to act on grudges, but Keynes isn't really a visible target.
Which Kaiserreich is better for a beginner? Darkest Hour or Hearts of Iron 4 one?
HOI4. Pick an out-of-the-way country, or Britain. Good choices are Peru, Colombia, Venezuela, Cuba, and Britain, the former for their deep lore and relatively simple gameplay, and the latter for being a good tutorial nation when it comes to fighting wars.
I feel like there's room for a 'Mosley's grab at autocratic power backfires' situation, but what the Lawrence coup became was not it, a 'soft syndicalist' takeover makes far more sense than 'instant monarchy restoration' (laying the groundwork for a monarchy restoration that when triggered leads directly to a UOB-UK civil war wasn't necessarily that bad from the 'it makes sense' perspective, but had pretty much the same balance issues and arguably worse gameplay issues), and a post-war fall possibility also makes sense, whether in full post-war with Savinkov looming or a 'the war in Europe is lost and Mosley stands in the way of a Second Peace with Honour to preserve syndicalism in Britain' situation.
Yeah, basically, the Lawrence pre-war coup was always meh, but I much preferred the Blair coup option which was the best storyline in the game IMO. Blair and Lawrence taking down Mosley right as he prepares to solidify the postwar order behind himself as Dear Leader.
The creator of Home of the Brave is also the creator of the submit American Totalists, maybe Burnham will show up.