Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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Just as totalism is divided between communism and nazbol, natpops are divided into integralists (organic, 17th century nostalgia, agrarian), and legionarist, basically fascists.
Brazil will be (when my changes are implanted) to follow the normal empire route, or go for a legionarist dictatorship.
Just so everyone knows, the KR devs have stated on their Discord that the stuff shown in the Ireland leak is very outdated and that they aren't actively working on a rework for Ireland at this current time. So, take everything shown in that doc with a grain of salt.
I do find the idea that TWR is more realistic than TNO to be a bit silly. Keep in mind I LOVE both of them but honestly when it comes to realism I feel like the only difference is TNO wears it's unrealism on it's sleeve while TWR is more coy about it. Because there are some pretty unrealistic paths in TWR let me tell you. Someone couping Mussolini and basically going in even harder on the Roman Weeabooism. Most of the stuff Konev get up to. Vasily Stalin being a successful leader, the entire faction that's basically Socialist Feudalism complete with worship of Lenin. Nicole Minet's French Worker's Republic which sounds like she has more control over France than Stalin had over the USSR. What's his name legalizing Gay Marriage in the 50s/60s in RUSSIA, Germany being able to invade the USA without being nuked to hell and back in the process, One of People's Germany's paths being a Socialist Neocracy, etc etc.
Here's the thing, I don't really want realism in a mod. CBTS tries (and UTTERLY fails) to be realistic and I hate it. I want a coherent mod.
Here's the thing, I don't really want realism in a mod. CBTS tries (and UTTERLY fails) to be realistic and I hate it. I want a coherent mod.
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Did we mention a Military Coup in the USA ever suceeding? Or how about the BUF being succssesful in British Politics in any way shape or form after a Nazi Victory
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The Military Coup is incredibly rare and apparently Mosley being elected basically will never happen unless the player is chooses it. And even then it's more likely to lead to Mosley getting shot and Queen Elizabeth/ Later Lord Mountbatten temporarily taking control over things before having another election.
On the other hand I also forgot to mention that the Non-Socialist French Resistance winning can lead to Josephine Baker becoming the leader of France which is...interesting. And here's the thing, the implausibility of those things doesn't make them bad. TNO Russia is basically insane and all over the place and I freaking love it.
I don't see how TNO "wears its unrealism on its sleeve". It's just an exercise in memes that takes itself way too seriously.
Honestly what I want out of a Nazi victory mod is:
- The Nazis being a mess on their last legs by no later than ~1955.
- The Nazis being a backstabbing hive of scum where whoever ends up in charge literally got there by being the most vile backstabbing prick.
- The USA being, well, the USA, industrial superpower protected by massive oceans, and ready to kick the door in first chance they get.
- Russia being semi-coherent with the periphery splitting off, and everybody really really angry and ready to gut the Nazis like a fish as soon as they sort out who's in charge.
- Some entertaining divergent focus trees.
TNO admittedly lacks in 3 and 4, but 1 and 2 are very much the case last time I checked.
Ehhh. They don't really portray the Nazis super accurately. For instance, the sheer ambitious sociopathy of Heydrich is massively downplayed to further the goal of turning Himmler into a Bond villain. Also the Speer path, at least as it was first released, verges on apologism IMO.
And while TNO's Germany is a mess--they still control most of a continent and all their opposition is a decrepit mess. The USA is riven by tensions far worse than OTL, and somehow Japan has treaty ports on the west coast. The Triumvirate is a joke. Even with crops likely failing across the planet due to climactic disruption, TNO Germany is nowhere near as fucked as the Nazis ought to be by that point.
Err, the are. The Devs have said the most likely victor of the Cold War is the US dominated OFN. In fact their sequel mod set in the 80s is about exploring what a massive OFN victory would look like.
Honestly Germany has always kind of been the weakest part of TNO for me.In part because yeah, you can tell they put the ideas there before they did the proper research. But what interests me in TNO isn't Germany.
Yes, where the USA is an evil colonial power because everybody's evil in the end, really, and trying to be good is for losers and idiots.
I just find TWR more interesting overall, and I really want to see just how hard it is to save Russia as Orlov.
*Looks at Red Monarchist England*
Yeah gonna have to disagree with you on that. Also Russia has several good ends from what I hear. And I don't think acknowledging that yeah, America acted like an incredible bunch of bastards during the cold war and that didn't change just because the enemies were Nazis, is a particularly bad thing.
Yeah, I have to agree with you on this point about TNO. While its true the US has done shitty things, TNO seems to go out of it's way to make even the best paths just feel... wrong. I am excited to play it, but I mean COME ON.
It's that America in TNO is comically evil rather than just shortsighted and stupid.
I mean, when you're fighting "We are fighting to free the world (so that our Supreme Leader can rule everything", you take a different PR tack from when you're fighting "We will purify the world by destroying all of the inferior races, hail to the state, hail to the master race, hail to Great Leader!".
The worst part about TNO to me is the South African War; sure, I can see the US being neocolonial dicks after the war, but to get native African resistance even a tenth as strong as the Vietcong when they're fighting the fucking Nazis is absolutely ridiculous and is pretty much both sidesing.
That's leaving aside that US futzing around OTL largely consisted of "back right-wing local elites and call it a republic". This was, despite leading to massive human rights abuses, WAY more effective than military occupation (which we flat-out don't have the manpower for for anything beyond, like, Cuba at the absolute biggest).
Either way I'm way more hyped for the China update in KR.
You realize this is an America that has a party that kind of wants to straight up Murder everyone who speaks Japanese. Like not violently so for the most part but the main thing holding the NPP together is sheer Hatred for Japan. This is America that's been hurt and doesn't want to be hurt again. So them taking some evil actions makes sense. And like is TNO!USA sponsering Castro any worse than supporting Pinochet?
Ehhh. I mean I'm also looking forward to the China Update but that thing sometimes trends to far down the realism bandwagon for me taste.
There's a difference between sponsoring a proxy who does some bad things and straight-up occupying some of the most infamously impenetrable, tropical-disease-ridden* terrain on the planet, full of really angry black people who want to murder anything that even sounds vaguely German. The former is pragmatic evil. The latter is just Bond villain stupidity.
I dunno, I like the extended warlord era setup, and the way that there's multiple good and evil paths (Left-KMT and UPOC both seem pretty moral, for example, while guys like Tang are obviously more straight-up scumbags) is always a draw.
*As in, white colonization of the African interior was functionally impossible until tropical disease vaccines and railroads became a thing.
What are these "morals" you speak of? I know of only realpolitik and pretending to follow Nationalist ideology.