Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

I must say, I hate the patagonian worker's front, and would like to talk politely with someone who likes it to see their point.

Like, the impression I have by playing with them is that they are basically a "internationale occupation zone" in south america, almost as a protectorate, a colony if you will, led by national collaborators but still kept together by foreign aid.

This usually would be a problem but not enought for me to really finds a faction to be terrible as I consider them, but they are also imposing a draconian level of conscription maybe only similar to Long Yun in TNO mod, they are totalitarian, but not ideologically totalitarian, but because they exercise total control over the population there, there are conscription squads that basically moves into villages, take all men, women, old people and children and employ them to fight on the coming war with the north, I would say they are going even further than the nazis did with the volkssturm since the nazis didn't conscripted women (I have nothing against women fighting, my point on his argument is that they are forcing more people to fight than the nazis did).

You also can see how the locals hate this as a event allows you to install political comissars, and if you don't you get another event about people deserting.

The result of such draconian and totalitarian measures is that the war to unify argentina ends being terribly deadly, comparable to the balkan wars, the AI get easily over 200 thousand people dead for such a stretch of Land.
The FOP is one of my favorite tags, so I'll give this a shot.

For me, the central appeal is that the FOP are desperate underdogs facing an existential threat. It began as a genuine attempt by miners and farmworkers to gain a better life and a better society. And at the start of the game, they've won the unenviable position of being just strong enough to be a nuisance on their own, with a staunch reactionary tyrant in the North gathering his strength to crush them viciously. It makes sense that they'd take drastic measures to resist this and accept any foreign help that's offered. Soto really comes across as more of a pragmatic revolutionary with his a boot on his neck than a bloodthirsty conqueror, even if the practical difference is pretty limited under the circumstances. And you can keep Soto in power and his pragmatism will become a lot more tolerable after the boot is lifted, and Argentina will become something resembling a free and equal society- certainly closer to that than you would have gotten under Carles. But for what it's worth I don't tend to keep Soto around like that. I don't have any illusions that a revolution waged largely by foreign soldiers with limited mass support is likely to end well no matter how noble anyone's intentions are. For me the story of the Argentine Revolution in KR is a tragic romance, and the perfect climax for that is the event chain where the CUSC or USA radicals take power and the other one tries to coup them. The whole project is probably doomed to failure, but it's fun to watch that failure unfold.
 
I don't see how the FOP are an Internationale colony? They are heavily reliant on Chilean aid, yeah, and on Internationale volunteers, but the Internationale has very little influence over FOP politics and the FOP quickly becomes fully independent and frankly starts wagging the Chilean dog once they control the entirety of their country.
 
I don't see how the FOP are an Internationale colony? They are heavily reliant on Chilean aid, yeah, and on Internationale volunteers, but the Internationale has very little influence over FOP politics and the FOP quickly becomes fully independent and frankly starts wagging the Chilean dog once they control the entirety of their country.
It is kept only by the internationale presence, it is more like a military colony than a resources one
 
It is kept only by the internationale presence, it is more like a military colony than a resources one
With due respect to your opinion, the term colony, protectorate, or even occupation zone, are probably not the most appropriate to describe the situation of the FOP, except perhaps to be used in Carles' propaganda campaign.

All these terms, both broadly and narrowly, refer to a certain level of control, whether economic or political, over the country, area or territory to which it is referring. This level of control, as previously indicated by other participants in the thread, is not present in the case of the FOP.

To use a historical OTL precedent, it would be equivalent to calling the United States of America a French or Spanish colony, due to the vital military and financial aid provided by these countries to kept the U.S. up during the American War of Independence.
 
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With due respect to your opinion, the term colony, protectorate, or even occupation zone, are probably not the most appropriate to describe the situation of the FOP, except perhaps to be used in Carles' propaganda campaign.

All these terms, both broadly and narrowly, refer to a certain level of control, whether economic or political, over the country, area or territory to which it is referring. This level of control, as previously indicated by other participants in the thread, is not present in the case of the FOP.

To use a historical OTL precedent, it would be equivalent to calling the United States of America a French or Spanish colony, due to the vital military and financial aid provided by these countries to kept the U.S. up during the American War of Independence.
Not for one main reason, the US didn't had this level of military control that the internationale has over the FOP

Almost half of their officers are from the internationale, most of the military equipment come from the internationale, and if you go for the internationale military focus you got even most of their manpower coming from the internationale

I believe it fits on this therm, as it is basically being propped up by them
 
Not for one main reason, the US didn't had this level of military control that the internationale has over the FOP

Almost half of their officers are from the internationale, most of the military equipment come from the internationale, and if you go for the internationale military focus you got even most of their manpower coming from the internationale

I believe it fits on this therm, as it is basically being propped up by them
Without massive French intervention, we would've been crushed in the ARW.

A Frenchman was one of our best generals and greatest national heroes in the ARW.

The French fleet finished off the British retreat and resupply plans at Yorktown.

European officers did most of the hard training work at Valley Forge.

The ARW was really a sideshow in a larger European conflict if we're going to be totally honest.

If the FOP were a colony as you say, the French would be directly involved with invading Argentina, which would be a close ally of Germany, and the conflict would be a theater of the 2WK.
 
Without massive French intervention, we would've been crushed in the ARW.
The French and the dutch did a lot of work, and they deserve the credit

But most of the fighting still was made by the americans on the field, this isn't the case of the FOP


If the FOP were a colony as you say, the French would be directly involved with invading Argentina,
No, this doesn't makes sense sense, as the FOP is a chilean puppet state and Chile isn't part of the Internationale
 
But most of the fighting still was made by the americans on the field, this isn't the case of the FOP
No, the majority of the fighting is done by native revolutionaries, it's like the Spanish Republic having massive international support. And Franco having even more support, at that.
 
No, the majority of the fighting is done by native revolutionaries, it's like the Spanish Republic having massive international support.
I gonna load a game as them later today and post a report here

A edit, I cannot because Kaiserreich wasn't updated to the new version yet, so I do when the update comes
 
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