I will admit I still hope the PSA can end up surviving and growing without becoming the USA (partly because that's part of GVVI and GVVII's assumptions).
Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg
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Honestly, I think the PSA is fine as a relatively generic country as it is--each of the other breakup states has its own flavor, like the CSA has unskilled troops and leaders but a metric fuckload of industrial power, the AUS (at least in theory) should start with a relatively strong military including some cavalry but lacks industry, and the USA has the best generals and such but lost the industrial and natural-resource heartland and is trying to compensate as best it can. The PSA doesn't need its own flavor since the title fight is concentrated east of and around the Mississippi, which is not coincidentally where America's power as a nation comes from (seriously, you control the Mississippi watershed, you control the greatest stretch of arable land in I think the world and the most important trade route in North America). Hypothetically the PSA would work well as the "protector of democracy" angle rebelling against MacArthur for couping the President, but that would then suggest that they join the faction that won the Presidency originally, only going it alone if Curtis won, failed to prevent the civil war, and was couped, which means you'd only see the PSA proper in an AI-run America.That is not going to be the case in the future. The PSA first is only going to be formed if MacArthur's coup happens, moreover, they consider themselves the Legit United States America. Also you can get Hiram Johnson as the President. It isn't going to be generic when I add all the flavor events.
Also the elections for the US countries are going to go up to 1952.
I definitely want every-4-years or otherwise regular elections for the CSA, event style like the USA has; I think that you should have a choice between, for example, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn (who I always choose anyway after the 2nd constitutional convention) and a rad-soc and a Totalist option, and if you let the ex-USA leaders back then a social-democrat option. Since Syndicalists are the democratic approach to socialism they really should have regular elections.
Assuming the 'invite MacArthur' option is kept in, that could be another going-it-alone situation (there is no Presidential victor, and MacArthur still runs the government as a military dictator), and assuming relatively similar Reed/Long paths there's some distinct moments for the PSA states to distrust the elected President's trustworthiness when it comes to democracy while, of course, also not being all that keen on MacArthur's coupist government.
I mainly want a Paul Mattick radsoc Chairman option. He can be Deputy Chairman under Reed, but he isn't an option for elections
Your hypothetical is what my plans are. They will only revolt if MacArthur does his coup. So if America remains a democracy then they are not going to be revolting.
I plan on elections for the CSA, though not if they go totalist. However there will be a number of candidates for the Radical Socialist and Syndicalist factions during the campaigns. and as with everything elections go to 1952. Also for democratic CSA there are going to be two election events the one for the Speaker of the House*/Head of Government and one for the President/Head of State
*still figuring out what the HoG position should be called in the CSA since it will basically be the speaker of the house but with more power and influence.
Ohhh, so the PSA will only revolt if democracy is suspended in '36? Because if, say, Reed wins, and then MacArthur coups, and the PSA faction stands for The Legitimate President (i.e. the guy who won the election), logically they should join Reed--and if Long wins, they should join Long.
Yeah, Totalist CSA should be the obviously evil path (which is, well, what totalism is). However, I absolutely LOVE the idea of multiple candidates during elections up through '52, that would add SO much to the Combined Syndicates.
May I suggest "Chair of the People's Congress" or "Speaker of the Workers' Legislature" for the Speaker of the House equivalent?
Yeah, Totalist CSA should be the obviously evil path (which is, well, what totalism is). However, I absolutely LOVE the idea of multiple candidates during elections up through '52, that would add SO much to the Combined Syndicates.
May I suggest "Chair of the People's Congress" or "Speaker of the Workers' Legislature" for the Speaker of the House equivalent?
That is not going to be the case in the future. The PSA first is only going to be formed if MacArthur's coup happens, moreover, they consider themselves the Legit United States America. Also you can get Hiram Johnson as the President. It isn't going to be generic when I add all the flavor events.
Also the elections for the US countries are going to go up to 1952.
So what its gonna be called the American Republic? Also what was the original intent behind the PSA?
Also, if the PSA is the Legitimate President faction, if Curtis wins, the war breaks out, and he's couped, he should really be first leader of the PSA.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
Honestly, for the CSA I'd like to see the CSA have Butler and Puller as Leaders, mainly to givr Marine buffing traits. If I play as the CSA, I want to be an infantry crushing, meat grinding Hound of He'll like I grained to be Dammit!
Mosley should also pop up less honestly, unless you explicitly want to play as him.
Mosley should also pop up less honestly, unless you explicitly want to play as him.
Agreed, UoB AI should be a little more heavily weighted towards Horner. But that is personal preference.
Butler is already a field marshal in the CSA,although I don't think he has marine-specific buffs(dunno if vanilla HoI4 have it tbh)
yeah, Smedley Butler is the only really decent general the CSA has.
I always put him in command of the majority of my military since he rocks.
I always put him in command of the majority of my military since he rocks.
Smedley Butler being a general for the CSA, fighting against the US, was kind of head-scratching for me because in our timeline, he blew the lid of a supposed planned coup to overthrow FDR. Hardly the act of a traitor.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
The man was a socialist. He only told FDR because the alleged coup was created by fascist businessmen, who he hated (read war is a racket) he was loyal to America, but the nation, not the government: if he thought the USA was really in the pockets of corporations and oligarchs he would have wholly signed up with the Combined Syndicates.
I might be biased, but whenever I play the USA Maurice Rose is the one who successfully defends New York for like 6 months against my armies, and intellectually I know it's because there's only one path into New York and its super fortified, but that gave me this image of Maurice Rose as some kind of Yang-Wenli for the CSA, knowing the cause is lost but refusing to go quietly into the night.
Also, please tell me the events for MacArthur winning are going to be more fleshed out; the aftermath of the assasination especially seems quite interesting.
Also, please tell me the events for MacArthur winning are going to be more fleshed out; the aftermath of the assasination especially seems quite interesting.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
honestly wish they would make Sorelianism fully Totalist instead of Orthodox Syndicalists since Sorelians are shitbirds and not Orthodox in any way.
I kinda like some of Sorels writings, but he's just too racist and too authoritarian for me.
Basically, my reaction to his social myth analysis was this:
My reaction to his ideal of people
having a "Warrior-Ethos" was this:
But... My reaction to his ethno-nationalism...
And finally, his stance on democracy...
Sorel's ideology went South real fast after a few good explanations and ideas.
I kinda like some of Sorels writings, but he's just too racist and too authoritarian for me.
Basically, my reaction to his social myth analysis was this:
My reaction to his ideal of people
having a "Warrior-Ethos" was this:
But... My reaction to his ethno-nationalism...
And finally, his stance on democracy...
Sorel's ideology went South real fast after a few good explanations and ideas.
In what way Sorelians aren't full Totalists already (except that, unlike Jacobins and Mosley in Britain, they can't overthrow the existing system in their country)?
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
The wiki says their Orthodox Syndicalists,unless that has been revised. I almost never play as France so I'm not familiar lol