Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

Honestly, I like the 2ACW as it is, because it's a good mix of plausible and playable, and the post-war power struggles do make it clear that Long's coalition is indeed a very shaky one.
 
I think the 2ACW isn't as unrealistic as people think. I mean, America in KRTL was in a Great Depression since 1925. Even in OTL, there was plenty of revolutionary potential. But Kaiserreich has the populist and anti-establishment energy forged by the Depression split off into two separate camps, thus making another Civil War rather unlikely. I would think both the Longists and Syndicalists would at least see eye to eye for long enough to take out the Federalists. I definitely don't see Long siding with the KKK (both of them hated each other). And I really don't get why Long would side with the "big money interests", when his entire platform rails against those very interests. While Long certainly disliked communism IOTL, syndicalism in KRTL is generally far milder and more democratic.
 
Has anyone thought about what a realistic(ish) Kaiserreich could be, while still maintaining most of the original key elements?

I would think :
  • British Revolution either doesn't happen or occurs as a more general pushback against the conservative monarchy, and it establishes a SocDem Republic with Liberals still being a major force.
  • Russia by 1936 is either under a reactionary White figure's control, or Savinkov's faction is about to seize power. This makes Russia into more of France's right-wing mirror.
  • Entente is either fully fascist or highly reactionary. Russia should almost always join the Entente, making the faction into more than the Reichspakt's lapdog.
  • American Civil War is less of a three-way war, but more of a two-way war. In that Long and the Syndicalists realistically should form a kind of United Front at the start of the war to oppose the Federalists, who would in turn gain assistance from Canada and the Entente. With opposition to the current regime centralized under a single banner, a Civil War is in turn more likely. Additionally, it opens up new options for post-civil war content, as either the Longist faction or the Syndicalist faction can gain influence/power over each other.
  • Not only should Germany go through Black Monday, but if it mismanages the crisis too much, Mitteleuropan puppet countries will rise up against the Reich.
  • Mussolini doesn't become a socialist again (he left the socialist movement before the KR POD)
  • Thus, Totalism isn't a major thing on the Left, being replaced more by general authoritarian socialism.


That's pretty much what I want to do in the Timeline I want to try and make except that the Entente goes Liberal, the French Commune is still around [reason being I think they're too interesting to butterfly away] and, if you've read the bits I posted on here already, you might have noted the presence of a certain Austrian Fascist with a stupid moustache.

Then again I have been toying with the idea of having the Personal Computer being invented shortly after the First Weltkrieg, and Britain annexing Hawai'i instead of the United States, so maybe not completely realistic.

They are actually still working on Cold War The Iron Curtain; I found an a “Dev version“ somewhere on Steam Workshop and have been playing it. They’ve reworked a fair amount of stuff, although most countries still “only” have for the 1950s.

I‘m confused as to why people are struggling, because Kaiserreich is working fine on my computer.
That's good news about The Iron Curtain, and I noticed that Millenium Dawn is back as well, but with all the changes made to that Mod [and the 1989 Submod no longer works] I've felt less inclined to go onto that one.
 
That's pretty much what I want to do in the Timeline I want to try and make except that the Entente goes Liberal, the French Commune is still around [reason being I think they're too interesting to butterfly away] and, if you've read the bits I posted on here already, you might have noted the presence of a certain Austrian Fascist with a stupid moustache.

Then again I have been toying with the idea of having the Personal Computer being invented shortly after the First Weltkrieg, and Britain annexing Hawai'i instead of the United States, so maybe not completely realistic.



That's good news about The Iron Curtain, and I noticed that Millenium Dawn is back as well, but with all the changes made to that Mod [and the 1989 Submod no longer works] I've felt less inclined to go onto that one.
Cold War the Iron Curtain also added its own economics system(because apparently that’s the big new thing in Hearts of Iron IV modding) which is moderately easier to understand than any of the other economics systems I’ve seen.

Millennium Dawn has definitely moved rapidly towards being more “realistic” and away from the more “meme-y” features, with all that added complexity that that entails.
 
So I’m playing as Russia, and Poland went down the republic path and has now joined my faction.

In all the hours I’ve spent Kaiserreich, that’s the first time I’ve seen the Poles willingly ally with the Russians.
 
That's pretty much what I want to do in the Timeline I want to try and make except that the Entente goes Liberal, the French Commune is still around [reason being I think they're too interesting to butterfly away] and, if you've read the bits I posted on here already, you might have noted the presence of a certain Austrian Fascist with a stupid moustache.

Then again I have been toying with the idea of having the Personal Computer being invented shortly after the First Weltkrieg, and Britain annexing Hawai'i instead of the United States, so maybe not completely realistic.



That's good news about The Iron Curtain, and I noticed that Millenium Dawn is back as well, but with all the changes made to that Mod [and the 1989 Submod no longer works] I've felt less inclined to go onto that one.
Interesting. However, how exactly is it that the Entente goes Liberal? Even currently in Kaiserreich, National France at least is the furthest thing from being "liberal" (it utilizes slave labor to build its ships) and Canada has uneasy streaks of authoritarianism due to the current regime being born out what was essentially a bloodless coup of the native Canadian government. While I could maybe see a path for a liberal Canada, I just don't see it for National France. These two countries are made up of the most reactionary, racist, and authoritarian parts of British and French society. To be frank, they are built for fascism. They are imperialist nations that were "stabbed in the back" by socialist revolutionaries, and their overarching goal is literally to reclaim their imagined heritage. That is pretty fascist, if I must say so myself.
 
Has anyone thought about what a realistic(ish) Kaiserreich could be, while still maintaining most of the original key elements?

I would think :
  • British Revolution either doesn't happen or occurs as a more general pushback against the conservative monarchy, and it establishes a SocDem Republic with Liberals still being a major force.
  • Russia by 1936 is either under a reactionary White figure's control, or Savinkov's faction is about to seize power. This makes Russia into more of France's right-wing mirror.
  • Entente is either fully fascist or highly reactionary. Russia should almost always join the Entente, making the faction into more than the Reichspakt's lapdog.
  • American Civil War is less of a three-way war, but more of a two-way war. In that Long and the Syndicalists realistically should form a kind of United Front at the start of the war to oppose the Federalists, who would in turn gain assistance from Canada and the Entente. With opposition to the current regime centralized under a single banner, a Civil War is in turn more likely. Additionally, it opens up new options for post-civil war content, as either the Longist faction or the Syndicalist faction can gain influence/power over each other.
  • Not only should Germany go through Black Monday, but if it mismanages the crisis too much, Mitteleuropan puppet countries will rise up against the Reich.
  • Mussolini doesn't become a socialist again (he left the socialist movement before the KR POD)
  • Thus, Totalism isn't a major thing on the Left, being replaced more by general authoritarian socialism.
The mod you were describing was called Weltkrieg. Kinda of a Kaiserreich lite although France could become reactionary or Socialist, had a fun scenario but sadly was abandoned :( I'd love to revive it but alas time is not a thing I have available these days :(

 
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I think the 2ACW isn't as unrealistic as people think. I mean, America in KRTL was in a Great Depression since 1925. Even in OTL, there was plenty of revolutionary potential. But Kaiserreich has the populist and anti-establishment energy forged by the Depression split off into two separate camps, thus making another Civil War rather unlikely. I would think both the Longists and Syndicalists would at least see eye to eye for long enough to take out the Federalists. I definitely don't see Long siding with the KKK (both of them hated each other). And I really don't get why Long would side with the "big money interests", when his entire platform rails against those very interests. While Long certainly disliked communism IOTL, syndicalism in KRTL is generally far milder and more democratic.
I agree. I find it unlikely but not unrealistic. The only problem I have is that the game railroads you to the worst scenario possible to allow it to happen. As someone commented, if wasn't for the perfect combination of Reed and Long refusing to cooperate, and MacArthur coup, the civil war won't happen.
 
How many Mongolians do you think Sternberg would have killed in total?
Augenis can give a better response, but I gonna try to guess

Firt, Mongolia 2400 000 people living in areas with state control, the rest are tribals or newly annexed

Ungern doesn't target certain groups to annihilate them like the nazis did, he also doesn't seems to supress certain groups, he seems to target people who rebel against him in general, and seems to leave the rest alone, so when people rebels against him? At the start on the game and on the 1926 blue revolution. There is no article on KRpedia about the blue revolution, so I gonna expect it to be centered on a capital with some small fighting outside. Since their army got nine divisions, maybe two or tree rebelled at the time, that would be about 30 thousand soldiers and some civilians, since you can name the soldiers and not the civilians, let put a few hundred (200) civilian deaths, and maybe one or two thousand military deaths. You cannot count people killed "on self defense", that is, during combat, so let's say he ordered that three divisions purged from their officers, then we could maybe get 600 people he ordered to kill, and 800 dead in total from the blue revolution.

At the start of the game it's quite of a civil war, assuming he wins and comitts his purges, we can expect to reach a thousand, maybe two thousand more, but I don't know if it would go even higher than that.

Finally, we got the usual repression deaths, death sentences given for being against him and people killed randomly, maybe for protesting and being run over by a cavalry. He's in power since 1917, but only consolidated in 1922, assuming we can get 200 people dying like that every year, we would get 2800 people by 1936

So, 2800 + 600 = 3400 people we can blame him for it, if my account is right. More 800 to 3000 from the civil war, he can get as high as six thousand.

That means that Mongolia is less worse than OTL, Choilbasan (the soviet puppet dictator) killed by executions alone 20000 to 35000 people during his government, you got a museum in Mongolia with skulls dug from mass graves with a bullet hole between the eyes, and he ordered all the clergy executed, plus most of the intelectuals.

Sternberg strikes me more of a local tyrant, similar to what you would have in latim america like Ubico or Benavidez, with a strong reactionary ideology, different from a totalitarian state control one party dictatorship like nazi germany or the soviet union, he even allow the nobles and the clergy to exist and can get their help during the civil war, usually resulting on his downfall.
 
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