Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

What about the NatPops? They are as bad as the Totalists, if not worse.

There are exceptions on both sides, for Fop we got baldomiro, and San Martin and the integralists on another side.

I don't know what happened to Ramon San Martin on Kr, he was a pretty good president otl as far as I know.
 
@herkles I realize Legacy china Missed opportunity with the AOG.
The AOG could've had a collapse event like with Mittelafrika and in my version of Legacy lore it can happen

here's the stuff that I made for my version of Legacy china lore.
I combined the Legacy lore and the rework together to make my version of it
Chinese Legacy Lore modifications tags

CHI-Xinmindang (New People's party) [新民党]Led by Wang Jingwei can transform into the left Kuomintang starting cosmetic tag people's revolutionary army


PRC-Yellow Way Society's Shangqing Tianguo

It follows the same organizational structure is it normal legacy counterpart but not made up of the same people

SHX revolts against QiE The Shanxi Army if Imperial party (natpot) is in Control

MAN-puppet Manchuria

MEN-puppet inner Mongolia

SQI- revolts against QiE shandong and Yīguàndào if Imperial party (natpot) is in Control


YUN-Yunnan clique

FNG-Fengtian Republic (奉天民國/中華民國奉天政府)

A "warlord Republic"


ANQ-Tang Jiyao's pacification army (jingjun)


GXC-PI KMT (致公国民党)(中国致公党) can become federalist starting cosmetic tag gui-yue United army


HNN-Cheng Qian's Hunan National protection army (HuguoXiangjun) (NPA)


SZC-revolt against YUN Sichuan army

AOG-AOG

Same as normal Legacy One of the potential paths for reforms Is to transform the Allgemeine Ostasiatische Gesellschaft to the Aufsichtsrat der Ostasiatischen Generalverwaltung

LEP- United provinces if the AOG is turned into The oversight committee


QIE-Qing (大清帝國/中華民國北京政府)

The Qing absolutist Monarchy which currently has low support from the gantry most of the gantry supports A constitutional Monarchy but the radical Germans via the AOG support only a absolute Monarchy



MON-Mongolia

Roman von Ungern-Sternberg's Mongolia is extremely unstable.The only way to stop the instability is to have Sternberg become regent by Abdicating from The throne to the 9th Jebtsundamba Khutuktu

Mongolian army


Tag That are same as in the rework

TAN

ETS

SIK

TIB

XSM

In the German foreign ministry its radicals versus conventional's. The conventional generally favor supporting Zhili clique well the radicals generally favor entryist policy for monarchism in the KMT and the radicals believe a KMT Victory is inevitable while the conventional's Believe a small intervention force is necessary to stop the KMT

Note the Radicals policy is basically " china is our India"


Within the Confédération Générale du Travail it Travailleurs and Jacobins (pro-KMT)vs Sorelians and Anarchiste ( anti-KMT)


PoD 1922The German government recognize the Guangzhou government in the rework The French commune recognizes the The government


With German help they set up the Xiaoguwei military Academy instead of the Whampoa Military Academy in the rework The French help set up Whampoa Military Academy like our timeline Soviet Union

1923


Germans invite Xu Shichang to help found A Monarchist wing in the KMT they previously try to solicit Kang Youwei but he rejected these out of hand



1924

Non-participation in the Second Zhili–Fengtian War

1925

The Guominjun wins the anti-Fengtian War with French assistance and drives the Fengtian Clique Back into the Northeast



KMT civil War

First phase


With German backing Xu Shichang's Monarchist wing moves to expel the the left wing of the party


Soong Ching-Ling is placed under house arrest


Chiang Kai-Shek and Liao Zhongkai are assassinated The left wing of the party is expelled

Which causes Wang Jingwei and other left-leaning the members to declare The peoples revolutionary government ( of The Republic of China )

Ye Ting 13th division and Zhang Fakui 12th division revolt along with Tang Shengzhi entire eighth Army to form the peoples revolutionary army


In response to the rebellion Xu found the provisional army [临时军]within the national revolutionary army most the Republican elements have declared neutrality


After the distraction of the Zhili clique. Wu Peifu forces have been the "Guest" of Hunan governor Zhao Hengti


Xu sent feelers out to Hunan with an offer to join his forces against the left-wing

Wu except Zhao Rejects the offer

Wu forces eject Zhao from Hunan

Wu forces are redesignated The provisional fourth army and begin to March South


Zhang Fakui is killed which cause the peoples Revolutionary Army to collapse



Leftist forces are defeated and Wang and a few others Flee to France


Wang Jingwei found the New People's party . ( Xinmindang)


Second phase


The third Guangdong-Guangxi War


After the defeat of the left-wing of the party Xu begin to move on to the Republican right wing backed principally by the New Guangxi clique


Xu Expels the New Guangxi clique from the party which triggers the war


This causes the rest of NRA to revolt


The provisional army is pushed back to a perimeter around Guangzhou



With German assistance The provisional army drives the rest of the NRA into Yunnan which causes a coup against Tang Jiyao bye Long Yun do his failure to Aid Republican forces in the war he then invades and occupied Sichuan.Yun also begins to use anti-monarchist rhetorics



The provisional army is disbanded and reincorporated into the regular National revolutionary army





1926


The northern expedition , German intervention and The treaty of Nanjing occurs

In response to the German intervention young Japanese officers set up A "warlord Republic" much to The consternation Zhang Zuolin in the form of the Fengtian Republic with it's official Capital in Changchun.Zhang Zuolin instead keeps his Power base in Shenyang


Official restoration of the Qing


Xu Shichang dissolve the Kuomintang



The Yunnan-AOG border conflict begins
The former NRA forces in Yunnan reforming to the national foundation army(Jianguojun) and New Guangxi Clique is stationed in Yunnan-

Guangxi border


1927



Chen Jiongming is appointed the Guangzhou security brigade commander via his appointed he reestablishes the Guangdong Army (yue jun)


Sun Li-jen is appointed as his deputy and is invited into the public interest party


1928

Tang Jiyao is appointed the commander of Changsha security brigade (jingjun) [pacification army]


1929

Wu Peifu asks the Germans if they could help in the reestablishing the Baoding Military Academy. The Germans reject the request in the rework A German military mission helps in the reestablishing the Academy




1930


The public interest party is reformed into Kuomintang



1932

von Falkenhausen becomes Governor General of the AOG




1933

Constitutionalist become increase dissatisfied with the absolutist nature of the New government began to turn to the revolutionaries for support



1934

The Xinmindang begins infiltration into the AOG and makes contact with the national foundation army and the New Guangxi Clique


1935


The KMT begins to form an underground army
 
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Guys, I heard that you do not like the Totalist CSA, well, I got this friend, Carl Ingram Albert, he wants to know your location.

Also:
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Source
 
Well, until now there was almost a consensus that a "good" totalist was Baldomero from the Patagonian worker's front, as he is elected and does not coup the government, and also allows religious freedom.

however I was checking the KR thread on tvtropes and found this:

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What do you think?
Fanfiction, nothing about Tukhachevsky's path implies that he's passive on the domestic front (which is also a problem of the Soviet content being old and undeveloped)
 
Personally, I think there are too many ideological categories in Kaiserreich atm - and it can lead to situations where Market Liberal Canada won't let in Social Conservative country for whatever reason.

I think it should be more like;

Parliamentary Syndicalism - systems like the UK where the unions have become the legislature
Anarcho-Syndicalism - systems which have avoided 'statist' centralisation
Market Democracy - capitalist states which have regular, free elections
Traditionalism - encompasses constitutional monarchies in which the monarch still retains a great deal of power, and other not-explicitly totalitarian traditional governments
Market Autocracy - military dictatorships, corrupt oligarchies, colonial remnants etc etc
Totalitarianism - both Totalism and National Populism
 

Thande

Donor
Apologies for double posting, I didn't realise there was a primary discussion thread for this.



Hi - I'm not a HoI person, but if I can do a bit of cheeky advertising, some of you may not be aware that Sea Lion Press publishes a book called The People's Flag (by our founder, @Meadow ) which attempts to do a vaguely more plausible take on the Union of Britain in Kaiserreich. See below - taken from the updates I post on this SLP update thread.

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The People's Flag by Tom Black (Meadow on AHcom):
1917. The Kaiser declines to resume unrestricted submarine warfare.
1919. France collapses into Syndicalist revolution.
1921. Britain signs the 'Peace with Honour', formally ending the Great War.
1925. An incident involving Welsh miners leads to a General Strike, which soon becomes the British Revolution...

In the opening volumes of this faux-history book, scholars from another timeline come together to write a flowery and officially-sanctioned history of the Union of Britain, a socialist republic on the island of Great Britain. From its fiery birth through to bureaucratic political manoeuvres, this book spans the years 1925 to 1940.

Based on notes from early builds of the Hearts of Iron modification 'Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg', and penned by a former 'Kaiserreich' developer, 'The People's Flag' fleshes out the backstory of the Union of Britain, and offers speculative detail on other radically altered countries in the 'Kaiserreich' universe.

Lovers of 'Kaiserreich' and newcomers to the entire setting alike will love Tom Black's ('Agent Lavender', 'Zonen', 'Meet The New Boss') history book from another world.

Thande's thoughts: I'm actually reading this properly for the first time right now, and enjoying it. @Meadow (Tom Black) started posting it here on AH.com waaaay back in 2010, but this version is obviously greatly improved. I particularly enjoyed Meadow's attempt at mimicking Jeremy Clarkson's writing style, from a TL where he grew up in post-Syndicalist Britain and is mainly train-mad rather than car-mad.
Fun fact: seeing the original thread was my first exposure to Meadow and at the time, I thought he was a filthy casual as a result of some of the odder 'writing decisions', not realising the scenario was based on the Kaiserreich mod for Hearts of Iron and thus he was stuck with trying to justify some AH-questionable stuff that had been put in by other people. Funny how things turn out isn't it, now he's running the world's first AH publisher and publishing my books.

See purchase page on the SLP site here.
 

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What ever happened to Buckingham Palace in England after the Syndicalists took over?
 
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