Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by RiverDelta, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. Gukpard hominem populist

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    These things are optional for Foster, Browder however always purge.

    Both are trash, but one is more trashier than the other.
     
  2. AeroTheZealousOne Forever in debt to your priceless advice

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    I may be a dirty syndie but I can't help but concur entirely. It's a little difficult (if not impossible) to redeem them and both mean that the Revolution has its heart pulled from its chest. They're no [insert non-Lusophone NatPops here], but that doesn't make them much better in my view.
     
  3. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    Hell. I prefer some natpops to those two.
    Both are equally reprehensible to me.
     
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  4. ThatOneGuy Fite me m8, swer on me mum

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    You guys ever play American Totalists? The Managerial guy in that is really messed up, kidnaps Foster I think and tortures him into confessing to a massive conspiracy that allows for him to enact purges on thousands if not more. Not as bad as child labor on state run farms or legalized suicide but still...shudders
     
  5. Gukpard hominem populist

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    He is worse than both foster and browder, I have played some really bad routes on many mods, but Burnham route in American totalists was the very first time on my life I really paused the game and tough "What the hell I'm doing?" . For example he enacts some plans similar to the Nazi general plan ost to core Canada and Mexico. He also blackmails foster and browder to help him, foster refuses and can be killed or jailed for life, while browder as a crook defects to Burnham side.
     
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  6. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    He's one of the first well designed and portrayed dictators in hoi4. I get why they don't but I wish Kaiserreich could be that gritty more often.
     
  7. Gukpard hominem populist

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    I agree, he is very well made and we can get a good insight on how life is on the technate.
     
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  8. RiverDelta So...yeah.

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    Burnham's in the CSA?
     
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  9. Twiggierjet Well-Known Member

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    Wait, dont you need a submod to play as him?
     
  10. Gukpard hominem populist

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    On a mod called "American totalists". You can force your political prisioners to be part of the technate "Shock troops" on a similar way to what Ferdinand Schorner does in the new order mod.
     
  11. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    Yup. That was my point. Kaiserreich even for its darker paths can be very idealistic. It should delve into darker themes more often instead of sort of hinting at and pussy-footing around them.
     
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  12. Gukpard hominem populist

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    That is because Kaiserreich tries to be a very realistic mod, that is why they are changing the eastern european lore for example. American totalists is beyond the appliable level of dystopia because as soon Burnham tried to annul the power of the congress his own allies would remove him from power. Dystopia Is Hard.
     
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  13. ThatOneGuy Fite me m8, swer on me mum

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    Same with the Ride the Tiger submod (same guy made both I think) where you turn into a Pan-European Nova Roman Empire from the Two Sicilies. You reintroduce concubines, put women back in the kitchen and basically turn the Kingdom into an Army with a state a la Prussia. At the end you
    unite Europe into a militarist, misogynist superstate with a grudge against democracy and syndicalism both
    . Its bonkers. He is making more mods for other majors to, I think next is America or the UK.
     
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  14. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    I think that Paradox has rules about what can be in HOI4 mods, because they don't want to let neo-Nazis get high on fantasies of being Hitler and wiping out Judaism. That said, it's heavily implied that the Vozhd kills a lot of people on purpose, that the Sorellians are outright Commie Nazis, and ol' Hermann is running a cartoonishly evil regime in Africa, at a minimum, in KR. It's kind of a messy world just like OTL with plenty of bastards.

    At least the Integralists are anti-racist and abhor genocide, even though they're also totalitarian, anti-democratic, and fanatically anti-socialist. Those dudes are...surprisingly chill fascists.
     
  15. Gukpard hominem populist

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    They are not totalitarian tough, they are authoritarian. Vargas new state is more closed than integralist Brazil for example since Vargas ban all parties and political associations and end elections for good (as he did OTL), while it is implied that the integralists just ban the left wing parties.
     
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  16. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    Fair. And it shouldn't work for every country. Some absolutely should be fail paths. But Stalin and Hitler did happen and some countries should be able to pull off that kind of thing.
     
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  17. Gukpard hominem populist

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    This is coming for Yunnan, the local warlord can try to be crowned as the chinese emperor but as soon he does that he gets couped.

    There was a very "funny" case close to that OTL, with the reactionary ultracatholic argentinian dictator Ongania, he declared that he wanted to rule for twenty years and was couped soon after.
     
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  18. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Fair enough. Either way, they're not very good dudes but at least not crazy racists.
     
  19. Gukpard hominem populist

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    No discussion here.

    Surprisingly most of the brazilian paths are not really that bad, the radsocs fight the famine, the syndicalists promote equality, Vargas modernize the nation, the integralists fight racism (alltough on some events make evident that they are apointing afrobrazilians to certain positions of power to make people who criticieze them be arrested for "racism"), the social liberals want profit but also protect freedom of speech and freedom of trade, the conservatives are oligarchic but also take measures to promote culture and education, the socdems promote worker's rights and modernize the country...

    And then there is the most evil path of them all, the MARKET LIBERALS!
     
  20. ThatOneGuy Fite me m8, swer on me mum

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    An-Cap Brazil wen?