Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

Discussion in 'Alternate History Books and Media' started by RiverDelta, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. ThatOneGuy Fite me m8, swer on me mum

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    NatPop Switzerland is a great observer nation. Not much gameplay unless you want it but a good way to see how things turn out.
     
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  2. Nyvis Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but not having much of in the way of existing forces and industries to reorganize at the beginning is very helpful when starting.
     
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  3. halfcoop Well-Known Member

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    Also Austria is pretty good for a ‘second game’/ first major power. You more or less have complete control when dealing with major powers, have some resources and pop, got flavor events. Etc
     
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  4. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    This. There's a reason I never played Britain in Vanilla. Having to manage a global empire (and it's crap divisions) is so annoying. I like to focus on one theater of war. And having limited resources makes the entire playthrough more immersive. If I want tanks I have to work for them.
     
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  5. Tjakari Locusts and Fishbones

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    Not completely off topic, this is why I always hated Britain games in Victoria 2 as well.

    There's not too much to manage, but you'll easily spend the first 15 minutes of the game paused and setting everything up.
    It's not a start and go type deal at all.
     
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  6. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    So, in an Olson-Reed Pact or Garner-Long Pact 2ACW scenario, what should happen to the radical faction which the government compromised with? Honestly, an AuthDem AFP (for "Garner makes a pact with Long") or a RadSoc SPA (for "Olson makes a pact with Reed") should IMHO remain an option while SocCon Democrats are disabled for Olson-Reed Pact!America and the SocDems/Progressives are disabled for Garner-Long Pact!America.
     
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  7. Nyvis Well-Known Member

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    Olson-Reed would probably have a big tent Progressive party with radical and moderate elements. Same with the Democrats with Garner-Long. You could probably have primary elections to decide which wing lead you into the elections. But frankly, the economic crisis is the window of opportunity for radicals and once things are going better, they'll probably run within the (expanded) politically acceptable spectrum.
     
  8. 1SaBy Enlightened Radical Alt-Censtrist

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    This is already the case. Progressives can only be elected if Olson was a coalition president and he wasn't couped by MacArthur.

    Why?
     
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  9. akoslows Well-Known Member

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    It would also be nice to see some flavor events in the US post-Civil War depending on whether you compromised with Reed or Long.

    For example, if you compromised with Reed as Olson and Henry Wallace or Quentin Roosevelt manage to become President, the SPA and Progressives can start proposing legislation like banning poll taxes, cracking down on voter suppression, and possibly even moderate attempts at desegregation. Since only the AUS rises up in this scenario, this would give the SPA and Progressives plenty of ammo to use against Jim Crow, and there isn't going to be a lot standing in their way, due to the poor state of the Democratic Party due to the defection of the Dixiecrats and the increased strength of the Progressives thanks to Olson.

    On the other hand, if you compromised with Long as Garner, the Dixiecrats and AFP can use Reed's rebellion as a way to crack down on civil rights activism, and try to solidify Jim Crow's hold over the South. Along with this, the AFP can start proposing legislation to "cease the spread of radical leftism" by cracking down on unions, make strikes a federal offense, and possibly even propose implementing segregation laws in the CSA states in order to "preserve law and order".
     
  10. Nyvis Well-Known Member

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    Honestly Olson's US probably go through reconstruction 2.0 to kill the AFP definitely and clamp down on partisans. After 2 civil wars, I doubt anyone has any feelings of mercy left for the South.

    Depending on how long the war is, I could see the progressives being brought together by the conflict and staying a thing long term, while the democrats are destroyed by the civil war and their more extreme components considered tainted by association with the AUS.

    Alternatively, some of the more moderate progressive go back to their origin party and the progressive-SPA alliance keep running a very leftist ticket, maybe some shade of demsoc, doing well in SPA midwest and Progressive plains states but not dominating national politics most of the time.

    At least that'd probably remove temptation to have a red scare since the reds proved to be the ones willing to negotiate to save the union. Maybe neutral US down the line.
     
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  11. teddy lives Member

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    I've always felt that the scenario where Olson and Reed compromise is guaranteed to lead to massive problems down the line, because of what the compromise is. Reed demands the SPA be put in charge of an agency that will be in charge of moderating labor disputes. That's the courts job (there was a supreme court case about a labor dispute fairly recently, so that sort of thing is clearly in their jurisdiction). So basically, Reed gets to set up a parallel justice system that is permanently under the control of his political party, which is such a flagrant violation of the constitution that there's going to be a reckoning about that at some point.

    Compare that to the Long compromise, who demands a tax break (annoying and can be seen as pandering, but not illegal), and demands to be the head of a new senate subcommittee (the senate is allowed to make its own committees so again, annoying and can be seen as pandering, but not expressly illegal).

    There's also the way each side reacts to it. Reed gets a compromise that allows his party to permanently rig the system so that they will win every labor dispute in the future, and his people are still rioting and striking throughout New York and Boston, there's an event that tells you how Reed is struggling to get his followers under control. Again, compare that with Long, who gets more modest concessions of a tax break and being the head of a senate subcommittee, and you get no further problems from the south. There's no event like Reed's where Long's people are rioting and he's struggling to get control over them.

    The SPA is also the only party to throw a massive tantrum after the election. You get no Longist equivalent to the New Years Strike. The SPA is by far the most radicalized and out of control faction going into the civil war, and even if you compromise with them, with the nature of the compromise, their radicalization and the fact that they are the only faction where the explicit goal is a new form of government, I just can't see anything but further problems for the Progressives.
     
  12. halfcoop Well-Known Member

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    Long use to strike, I’m surprised it was cut
     
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  13. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    I think they figured his Senagovernator antics were enough obstruction?
     
  14. Vince Optimistic Pessimist

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    I love the Custom Country Paths mod. Just had an epic game with Germany surrounded by a massive Internationale (Batavia, USSR, Poland, Scandanavia and Spain all joined them). Just set up one with the Internationale imploding in 1936 and me trying to win with the CSA against a Garner-No-Long-AUS America to restore syndicalism into the world.
     
  15. floyd22 Well-Known Member

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    I had to uninstall the Mod and then reinstall it in Order to get the most recent update, so will my saved games be unaffected or will I have to start all over again?
     
  16. Tjakari Locusts and Fishbones

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    Depends on if the save folder went with the mod when you uninstalled it, and if the old saves are compatible with the new update. You'll just have to see when you start it up.
     
  17. olavops Well-Known Member

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    Honestly I find CK2 (and Stellaris in many ways) to be way easier then HOI4.

    Trade, equipment and naval invasions just terrify me.
     
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  18. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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  19. Gladsome Well-Known Member

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    At long last, a Kaiserreich novel, with a Sealion World Press cover, no less.
     
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    CK II is much more frustrating in my head; I prefer HOI4, but I still play CK II quite often and am about to begin playing Imperator: Rome.

    As the French Commune I have switched Ideology to Jacobin, so I hope that I haven't made a horrible error in the long term. I was amused one of the names for their new Ships will be Karl Marx, due for Launch in 1939, while another is Frederich Engels, considering they were both Germans.
     
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