Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

Reich would be fine in-universe, but in OTL it sounds jarring and has different connotations.

I view Huey Long as a North American version of Latin American caudillos, or maybe at best a Bismarck-type character. The devs has already said that he's Authoritarian Democrat with the upcoming update and not anything further right-wing. He wants to build a powerful centralized U.S. and will employ generous social programs to buy off Americans from syndicalism, and crush states' rights by creating a unitary system. He's achieving this via corruption and electoral tampering- no different from many of the monarchies of this timeline. By doing so he's making the U.S. more similar to much of Europe. Is that so wrong?

Gameplay wise no. However seeing as the Caudillos still ended up killing a whole lot of innocent people & used their populist rhetoric to hide epidemic levels of graft, fraud & self-enrichment I'd say yes. Ultimately a regime like Long's isn't much different from MacArthur's military dictatorship & in some ways worse since his rise involves allying with groups like the Klan. Purging them when it's convenient to do so afterwards doesn't change that.
 
Gameplay wise no. However seeing as the Caudillos still ended up killing a whole lot of innocent people & used their populist rhetoric to hide epidemic levels of graft, fraud & self-enrichment I'd say yes. Ultimately a regime like Long's isn't much different from MacArthur's military dictatorship & in some ways worse since his rise involves allying with groups like the Klan. Purging them when it's convenient to do so afterwards doesn't change that.

Hmmmm, I would have thought any military dictatorship has the risk of co-opting certain undemocratic groups. I can definitely see a scenario where MacArthur recruits the Klan into the dictatorship.
 
Hmmmm, I would have thought any military dictatorship has the risk of co-opting certain undemocratic groups. I can definitely see a scenario where MacArthur recruits the Klan into the dictatorship.

I could see him co-opting more explicitly anti-labor splinter factions like the Black Legion but, given how SACW is set up, I don't see him co-opting the Klan simply because he'd have spent the better part of between two and four years (depending on how quickly you finish off the Civil War) fighting and killing them. This is doubly true in the case of the Second Klan as that organization was probably the most cohesive, centralized incarnation so if the Klan is backing Long's AUS that means the leadership plus loads of the rank and file have fallen into line leaving less for MacArthur to scoop up. Better for him to purge them all and be done with it than attempt to use former traitors who many of his own followers would see as being just as much of a problem as the Syndicalists were.
 
Currently playing a as the United States, I didn't know you could avoid the SACW by compromising with Reed and killing Long. It seems to bug out after a while though (it seems to act like the Civil War still fired)?

Its more as a prerequisite for the focuses to fire(if HoI4) or opening up new event chains and decisions(if DH)
 
Pelley aside, the only evidence that Long "allies with the Klan" is that there's a division named after them. That's it. That is easily changed by the devs, can be rationalized away as a random partisan formation which happens to join the AUS, and honestly division names don't have a lot of weight in my book as more than a joke:

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My point is that division names might be canon but only in the weakest of ways and are probably the easiest to be undone in future updates and so shouldn't be weighed heavily.
 
Reich would be fine in-universe, but in OTL it sounds jarring and has different connotations.

I view Huey Long as a North American version of Latin American caudillos, or maybe at best a Bismarck-type character. The devs has already said that he's Authoritarian Democrat with the upcoming update and not anything further right-wing. He wants to build a powerful centralized U.S. and will employ generous social programs to buy off Americans from syndicalism, and crush states' rights by creating a unitary system. He's achieving this via corruption and electoral tampering- no different from many of the monarchies of this timeline. By doing so he's making the U.S. more similar to much of Europe. Is that so wrong?

Shattering 2 centuries of democrat tradition being one of the primary causes of a civil war that will kill millions contesting election results and doing his part to support political instability and use of paramilitary units to bully people into doing what he wants is that wrong? Yes yes it is
 
Shattering 2 centuries of democrat tradition being one of the primary causes of a civil war that will kill millions contesting election results and doing his part to support political instability and use of paramilitary units to bully people into doing what he wants is that wrong? Yes yes it is
I mean, if we look at current canon... the CSA can be mollified with only getting a moderate, partial acceptance of what Reed proposes in the Curtis-Reed negotiations. There isn't any path that leaves Long satisfied - even getting elected president ends with him storming out (whereas Reed ends up overthrown over paranoia about Syndicalism even if he charts a relatively moderate, honestly-basically-SocDem course).
 
Shattering 2 centuries of democrat tradition being one of the primary causes of a civil war that will kill millions contesting election results and doing his part to support political instability and use of paramilitary units to bully people into doing what he wants is that wrong? Yes yes it is
160 years, but who's counting?
 
I mean, if we look at current canon... the CSA can be mollified with only getting a moderate, partial acceptance of what Reed proposes in the Curtis-Reed negotiations. There isn't any path that leaves Long satisfied - even getting elected president ends with him storming out (whereas Reed ends up overthrown over paranoia about Syndicalism even if he charts a relatively moderate, honestly-basically-SocDem course).
Yeah, the thing about Huey is...he's all about Huey. He wants power and that's the only thing he gives a shit about, and he doesn't like being constrained by the American system. Reed wants to make the workers' lives better, after all he's been a socialist for a long time and the people elected him, they're counting on him. The system isn't in and of itself the big problem, it's the people running it who are, and Reed only rebels when those people seize total control over the system and spit in the face of Americna democracy.
Awwww yeah!
 
Yeah, the thing about Huey is...he's all about Huey. He wants power and that's the only thing he gives a shit about, and he doesn't like being constrained by the American system. Reed wants to make the workers' lives better, after all he's been a socialist for a long time and the people elected him, they're counting on him. The system isn't in and of itself the big problem, it's the people running it who are, and Reed only rebels when those people seize total control over the system and spit in the face of Americna democracy.
Well Reed is not exactly a saint if you think about it,Well In your head cannon he is but if you look at it when he loses the election to any body else he will probably revolt, so he is not exactly a hero for democracy.This is one of the things I love about kaiserreich,with the moral ambuguity where all three factions could end up as bad guys or good guys.
 
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