Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

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  1. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    Umm... no. The Midwest is (and since the very being always has been) an agrarian populist region. I submit my own state of Kansas as a perfect example. Before the Democrats and Republicans swallowed up the party, Kansans came out in droves to vote for the Populist Party. Any party perceived as an "Urban Party" such as the SPA and other labor parties has never done well in the Midwest. The Rustbelt and industrial sectors around the Great Lakes is where Reed finds his base, not the rural Midwest. The Midwest falls to whoever presents himself as more of a man of the people, and like it or not, Louisiana Small-town boy Huey Long is more likely to be that populist man of the people than "Limousine Socialist" John Jack Reed. Now on the other hand, if we were to put forward say... Big Bill Haywood as the Socialist candidate, well that's a whole different race altogether.
     
  2. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    As for this, I just use the mod that gets rid of the antiplayer element.
    (sorry for the double post everyone)
     
  3. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Kansas is not the Midwest, it's the Great Plains. Midwest is Ohio through Illinois and Iowa up through to Minnesota.
     
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  4. Strategos' Risk Oriental Orientalist

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    By Midwest, I meant the Great Plains area and not the Great Lakes. I'm talking rural > industrial areas going Long, as he seems more rural aligned and historically he was a friend to them.

    The Kingfish and His Realm: The Life and Times of Huey P. Long By William Ivy Hair:

    Depends on if the CSA turn hostile towards the farmers, if a Totalist calls for agricultural collectivization or something like that, or the populists simply feel uneasy about hitching their horse to syndicalists, then they would be fertile territory for their old legislative ally Long.
     
  5. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    You are mistaken. The Midwest includes the Great Plains States of Kansas, Nebraska, both Dakotas, as well as the State of Missouri. Frankly I have no idea where you learned otherwise.

    I mean, by it's very nature as a Trade Unionist ideology Syndicalism is primarily focused on the industrial sector and the workers and has very minimalist view of rural sectors and mostly simply collectivizes them as an afterthought because no one really thought it out. The SPA isn't hostile towards farmers... they just don't really care about them.
     
  6. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    I legitimately could not care less what the census bureau says, the Plains states are not part of the Midwest and have a substantially different economy, society, and general political history. Hell, even Iowa's kinda borderline.
     
  7. ETGalaxy Long live the King of America!

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    Is this really going to evolve into another argument about what the Midwest's geographical definition is? That did not end well in Spillover last time.
     
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  8. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    Quite frankly I'm not talking about the Census Bureau either. The standard definition of the Midwest in the eyes of most people is what I've put forward. You have the right to disagree. Just realize that you're going to confuse people .
     
  9. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Most people I've met consider the Rust Belt to be the Midwest and vice versa.
     
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  10. Ice34 Well-Known Member

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    Tbh I really don't care enough to argue about something that really isn't that important. I've said my piece. You've said yours.
     
  11. Vince Optimistic Pessimist

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    Yeah, there's nothing like having an American Civil War with President Floyd Olsen and having his home state defect to the CSA.
     
  12. akoslows Well-Known Member

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    I believe this also applies to John Nance Garner, too.
     
  13. floyd22 Well-Known Member

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    I've just learned that, thanks to the updates with Man the Guns, I am going to have to start my National France Game all over again when Kaiserreich is Updated. Gggrr!

    So, Day 1 of a new Game as the UK starting in 1936 with Man The Guns, and considering an ideology change. The new focus tree looks a little overwhelming, but I am going down the Reinforce the Empire path for the time being.
     
  14. Cmastashizzlerizzle Unironic Imperial russiaboo

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    I wonder how fuel will affect countries in kaiserreich I can imagine the job will get something of a nerf from not having an empire to get fuel from
     
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    Collectivization in the USSR was so anti farmer because they were barely out of feudalism and experiencing having their own land after the revolution. Also because there was no workplace democracy, and thus collectivization was more of a transition to being an industrial worker under capitalism than anything.

    On the other hand, farmers here would have been struggling with capitalism for a while, with depression hitting them hard and buyout by agricultural corporations looming when they fail to meet their financial obligations. It's totally possible more agrarian socialists could help through voluntary collectivization and networking between rural inhabitants to substitute to a failing system.

    I imagine the syndicalists absorbed smaller movements of more rural socialists over the time. Northern midwest progressives would probably feel awkward being aligned with a very much southern movement.

    You have to remember neither the CSA nor the AUS can be reduced to their leader. Long by himself may be attractive to rural populist elements, but his coalition is very much southern in outlook. Similarly the SPA probably absorbed some of the radicalized rural populists too, even if its modern core is syndicalist.

    In conclusion, I'd probably go with a north/south split of the midwest.
     
  16. Strategos' Risk Oriental Orientalist

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    What you're saying is fair and true but I still like the idea of urban Syndies vs. rural Populists with Long trying to jockey position. I'm not onboard with this suggestion, but it's a cool one where Huey Long keeps Louisiana neutral in the war (the AUS is run by Neo-Confederates, which I dislike), and so tacks right of the Syndies but left of everyone else.

    I'm curious how the Southern Agrarians leaned politically speaking, and if they could've been a political movement at all, rather than an academic literary cultural trend.
     
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    I did a play through as the UK, went democractic but churchill and did imperail federation. A lot of fun. I set all the ai countries to do random things. the resulting world was very interesting, a likely better.
     
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    They're re-doing National France's focus tree? Could you provide a link to that so I can check it out?
     
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    If Long doesn't side with the neo confederates and Olson fails, I could see a more moderate populist-socialist alliance resulting in a pluralistic leftwing new American republic if it succeeds. Which could be countered by the neo-confederates backing a MacArthur coup. In general, I want to see a more divergent American civil war where political moves matter and give wildly different outcomes.
     
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