Kaiserreich complaints and changes you would like to see?

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  1. yourworstnightmare Trubbelmakare

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    Yeah, but Italy actually joining the war on the CP side would mean Austria give in and cede them some territory, with Austria was no inclined to do. Austria and Italy just had so much bad blood between them that while both liked Germany, they disliked each other so much they wouldn't enter a war on the same side uless there are consessions.
     
  2. Modern Imperialism Well-Known Member

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    Could Italy just gain a lot from France and maybe Britain too if the join the central powers and won. Could this be a enough of a drive then try to push for Austria lands after the war?
     
  3. yourworstnightmare Trubbelmakare

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    Italy's prize for attacking France was a "show of Austrian goodwill" meaning they wanted Austria concede some of the land Italy claimed, and they hoped Berlin would push pressure on Vienna. The Germans didn't, since they valued Austria much more, and Austria was not going to concede anything no matter who said what. So Italy actually joining the Central Powers in a war was extremely unlikely.
     
  4. Modern Imperialism Well-Known Member

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    Given Austria position during and after the war couldn’t Germany convince Austria to just give them some of Dalmatia and also promise to let them have Albania if they wanted it? Italy joins the war at the same time as otl but on Germany’s side
     
  5. yourworstnightmare Trubbelmakare

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    We aren't even talking Dalmatia here, we're talking Trento, Trieste and Gorizia. And no Germany didn't want to spook the Austrians, and the Austrians were not inclined to give Italy anything. Austria hate the Italians about as much as the Italians hated the Austrians. Getting those two to fight on the same side was always going to be a really hard task. And the Germans rather had a strong Austria than Italy due to Pan-Germanism.
     
  6. Historyman 14 Well-Known Member

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    I doubt Italy would have join the CP. Not with Italian irredentism.

    On Italy: Maybe instead of breaking it up, you have heavy reparations, Veneto (with Friul) independence under a new Kingdom of Venice, and military limitations.
     
  7. trekchu Hangin' around since 2007

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    If you do that, then make it so that it can only happen if at least one of the major players is human.
     
  8. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    What about India? Does it need any changes? I'd say a post-Lucknow Conference (North) Indian Republic should have a special focus tree on the path such a republic would take.
     
  9. chankljp The sensitive soul of a heartbroken idealist Donor

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    Here is another that I have in which had bugged me ever since literally my very first game of Kaiserreich when I played as Nationalist France in Darkest Hour back in the summer of 2015. And I am honestly surprised no one else seemed to have pointed out anywhere as far as I was able to find to this day (Well, until me doing it right now)....

    There are these two event chains (Later replaced by two separate national focus tree branches in HOI4, but otherwise kept more or less the same) which goes a little something like this:

    - As Nationalist France, one of the very first things that you will need to do early on will be to reforming the Army. For that, you can either follow the defence focused plans of Admiral Darlan, or the offence focused plan of General De Gaulle. If you go for the latter, you have two options:

    (A) Expand recruitment of the famous French Foreign Legion. This will be the safe option, since all the natives and foreigners that will be signing up for service in the Legion will be volunteers. But it doesn't give you that much new units and manpower.
    (B) Start conscripting Arabs and Africans into the armed forces. This will be the high-risk high reward option, since it gives you lots of new units, but at the cost of causing lots of unrest and dissents, as the natives do not really like the idea of being forced to fight and die for their colonial masters against their will.

    - Another major event chain that Nationalist France will have to deal with the Fourth Republic's long-term political future. If they decide to democratise by either restoring the suspended constitution or by forming a constitutional monarch, you will need to make a decision on reforming the electoral system, with there once again being two options:

    (A) Limit the right to vote to only Frenchmen and the European Pieds-Noirs population.
    (B) Expand the political franchise by allowing locals who are in the service for the country to also earn their right to vote.
    ..... Am I the only one that could see the VERY obvious problem that should arise if you go for option (B) in both decisions? :oops:

    Think about it for a second: Nationalist France have just forced a bunch of their colonial subjects into military service against their will, while at the same time, granting them the right to vote since they are now in service to the country!

    When it comes time for the 1937 General Elections, what kind of policies do you think these (understandably) angry, resentful Arabs and Africans will be voting for? :openedeyewink:

    And at this point, if the Nationalist French government realise what they have just done by trying to either limit the kinds of candidates who can run for office, or try to take away the natives' newly earned political franchise... Keep in mind that since they were just conscripted into the Armed Forces, they all have military training, not to mention access to guns, plus they will outnumber their European officers....

    This really should have been developed as a mirror version of the CoF's 'Jacobin Reformation' event chain, in which the leninist Jacobins gets elected and goes all "Twilight of the Red Tsar" on everyone to the point that the country can collapse into a civil war, allowing the Germans to walk right in and the Nationalist to get invited by General Gamelin to retake the country since the Communards have messed the place up so badly..

    For Nationalist France, if they took this combo, it really should have caused the government-in-exile to collapse as soon as the first election takes place, either via a process of decolonisation with the French exiles and the Europeans colonist retreating to their enclaves in the major costal cities, or an outright full-scale rebellion as the natives in the Armed Forces rise up and fight for their homeland's independence.

    .... But instead, there is absolutely nothing in the mod right now that reflects the total political FUBAR that should result from this. Something that I think really needs to be looked into.

    After all, if both the UoB and CoF can 'self terminate' via the 'Lawrence coup', and 'Jacobin Reformation', event chains, it will only be fair if Nationalist France also have a chance of doing the same, so that a major threat against the CoF gets removed before the start of WK2 without the latter having to fire a single shot.
     
  10. Kaze Well-Known Member

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    A larger tree for the legation cities. You can easily complete the tree in a few hours of play. For instance you could add an invasion route for the legation cities to Taiwan, Hawaii, Philippines, and if you go the Triads route to have the opium producing states of Afghanistan / Pakistan.
     
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  11. Meshakhad Room of Hungry Mossad Interns

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    The Legation Cities are being eliminated entirely, I believe, in the upcoming 0.9 patch.
     
  12. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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  14. AZNMAGICMAN Well-Known Member

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    It would be interesting if there was a National Populist option for Nationalist France. The National Populist Party I can see being the candidate would be Croix-De-Feu lead by Francois de la Rocque. That and the CdF was a Party founded by French War Veterans of the Weltkrieg. And well the CdF were supportive of a Nationalism, Conservatism and Corporatism, as well as Republicanism since they sought to preserve the Republic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croix-de-Feu

    Also I could imagine the Croix-de-Feu be similar to the Italian Nationalist Association led by Gabriel D'Annunzio.

    Interestingly in OTL, The CdF were against anti-semitism and had refused to cooperate with French Fascists who were anti-semitic. But by the time of Kaiserreich I can see that change.
     
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  15. Meshakhad Room of Hungry Mossad Interns

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    I rather agree with earlier sentiments that the Entente could have an overall National Populist path.

    Getting back to the 2ACW, I think the devs should do one of two things. If they want to ensure that the 2ACW has the same setup every time, then the game should start with the war already in progress. If they want to keep it as is, then they should make it more dynamic. Maybe Reed or Long have no chance to avoid the war, but they could find a way to stack the odds in their favor by arming their own militias, strengthening friendly elements in state governments, etc.

    Also, the CSA should have a chance to avert the Canadian takeover of New England by quickly taking Boston. The AI could be scripted not to do this, but it doesn't make sense for Canada to instantly absorb New England when my troops are pushing into New Hampshire.
     
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  16. Worffan101 Ain't done nothing if I ain't been called a Red

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    Yeah, the ACW needs some tweaks. The current version sucks due to the bugged war starting situation. Absolutely agree on Entente natpops, too.
     
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  17. Whiteshore Defender of Myrcella Baratheon

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    SoCred Canada anyone or would they "merely" be AuthDems?
     
  18. AZNMAGICMAN Well-Known Member

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    Also for Croix-de-Feu as French National Populists in KRTL, they aren't anti-semitic, however they are extremely anti-socialistic and anti-syndicalistic.
     
  19. Meshakhad Room of Hungry Mossad Interns

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    NatPops in KR don't have to be antisemitic.
     
  20. AZNMAGICMAN Well-Known Member

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    That's true.

    Also I find that National Populists are divided in three categories:
    1. Integralist (Duarte Nuno II of Braganza) - Focused on Monarchism and Catholic Nationalism
    2. Legionairy (William Dudley Pelley and Corneliu Codreanu) - Focused on Bigoted Policies towards ethno-religious minorities
    3. Authoritarian Nationalist (Boris Savinkov, Gabriel D'Annunzio and Manuel Carles)