Kaiserreich a TL

I found a loophole for removing Kerensky from Lwow government
some were in spring 1917 the Soviet try to passed a resolution prohibiting its leaders from joining the government,
Kerensky delivered a stirring speech at a Soviet meeting. Although the decision was never formalized, he was granted a
de facto exemption and continued acting in both capacities.
source Wikipedia

Here the Soviet HAS passed a resolution prohibiting its leaders from joining the government,
Kerensky must to step down from post of Minister of Justice.
and not becoming Minister of War, preventing the disastrous Kerensky-Offensive

Give this option, for a early armistice even Peace Agreement between Russia and German Empire ?
or do i need a successful Russian July revolt ?
 
I have been pondering this for some time in parallel to you, and others, it seems. My POD(s) are different but here are some things I came up with that you are free to use, ignore, think more on or whatever you like.

The USA never gets beyond a hostile neutral with respect to Germany, British efforts to embargo/blockage Germany only add friction to Anglo-American relations, this divide deepens as the British turn towards protectionism post-war and focus on the Empire (Commonwealth). Entente rejection of Wilsonian (holding place for the concept) peace overtures and German willingness to seek peace beginning around 1916 create wedge in American relations with Entente driven home by Entente "recalcitrance" post-war. As America seeks to rebuild trade and German needs trade the two grow closer, not snuggly, but the slippery slope tilts here.

Germany sees the SDP take power with Zentrum and a break away left leaning Liberal faction, still vaguely led by Zentrum since the Socialists likely are not full ready to spread their wings or hold a true majority. But I think one sees a lot of political battles as the same issues in OTL get addressed, lower the voting age, women's suffrage, expand the welfare state, deal with wounded veterans, unemployment, war debt, and so on.

USSR born but has harder time of it, might retake Ukraine but Poland and Baltic states stay out of their grasp along with Finland. Once politicians and diplomats reassert authority over Army the situation in East tones down from naked occupation to better relations. I see more instability in Poland and German restrained by its pursuit of peace with Entente so Poland likely suffers a civil war if Soviets can pour fuel into the nationalist sentiments. This might be the icebreaker to German reintegration with Europe or sets off another war. If former it sours everyone to USSR at minimum. Maybe Japan seizing more territory from Russia in Far East and maybe creating a Russian "Manchuria" puppet.

Germany negotiates for return of colonies in Africa and Pacific, UK agrees in the 1930s akin to the appeasement years. Japan holds out and this drives wedge into German-Japanese relations, pushing Germany and China into better relationship. Here the UK and Japan are still friendly on surface but the relationship is rotting, mostly due to Japan asserting itself in China, but without WNT the USA never gets friendly with UK in the Pacific. Sino-Japanese War still possible. But war with USA and Colonial powers less likely. I see Germany supporting China akin to how it otherwise happened in Spanish Civil War.

No Spanish Civil War. I can still tease Italy into Fascism and its relations with Germany are frosty, as regards Austria they are bitter enemies. The UK with France prop up Italy and we still get the path towards an Italo-Abyssinian war. Fascism lasts longer.

No Holocaust, in fact Germany improves its assimilation of Jews based on their service in the War, anti-Semitism gets a cold shower of impropriety, longer term . Jewish minorities in other places might still see discrimination and persecution. Zionism remains a minor voice, possibly no Palestine, almost certainly no Israel. But likely still an Armenian Genocide, with a surviving Ottoman Empire and German Empire I could see this getting more directly faced, I think it does not fall into the cracks of history.

Germany's SDP led governments pursue a far more liberal policy in the colonies to become "models" of progress, it also serves to twist the tails of both Britain and France, anti-colonialism is driven more by outside forces, opening markets becomes the goal, revolutions sponsored by the USSR and independence sponsored by the USA and Germany and Japan.

The British Empire fares better overall, Indian independence occurs but not necessarily easier or better. Once India goes the Empire begins to unravel. Focus in Asia likely goes to Malaya and Singapore, more attention to Africa maybe, but I can see the British having more sway in Persia and more troubles, this sets up the UK versus USA for dominance of global oil. Germany might become the big player in Mesopotamia, possible USA partnership, especially where the Ottomans push back to reassert control over the Arabian peninsula. Another flashpoint for war. No dominance of Wahhabism in Arabia, over the Holy Cities or in Islam. The Caliph in Istanbul potentially develops more authority over Islam internationally.

France alternates between its leftist and its right wing, deepened by the decolonialization wars, especially in Indochina and Algeria, the Nationalist Chinese begin supporting Vietnamese nationalists and Italy supports Algerian separatism, same messes, different actors. Franco-German relations remain frosty longer but economics might drive them to better times. I am open to a plebiscite in Lorraine, if so then maybe the French refocus on becoming a bigger player in European markets and evolve towards becoming Germany's biggest trade partner as tensions fade.

The USA never becomes a global superpower, it likely remains a major naval power and its bigger contribution is in civil aviation. Otherwise no CIA, no Cold War, no global posturing versus the USSR. The USSR becomes a dangerous power but also not superpower status. If it fails to take the Ukraine or loses ground in the Far East it might barely register other than in Germany's worries. The world evolves in a multilateral structure akin to the familiar Great Power game.

Technology? I see airships through the 1920s, the USA agrees to sell helium and Goodyear partners with Zeppelin. The USA leads into aircraft like the Constellation, Germany legs as it leads in military aerospace, but has a strong second place, followed by the British who do better (I hope). Germany has a sort of cold war with the USSR and maybe the former Entente so it still leads in military technology generally. The Germans get similar trade with USA but less with France and UK, but those remain closed to German trade and prefer their own longer. Very outside chance that rocketry gets as far, Germany might innovate versus pursuing long range bombers but then it has no need to fly further than Moscow. So satellites might be long delayed. I think we see more German players in trade, Japan might not get the big take off, worst case it sort of stagnates into a military dictatorship for a lot of years. No Walkman. China looks similar to now but with petty politics in factious parties, democracy after a long one-party state under the KMT, then liberalization.

That is my broad strokes to play with themes, not always diligent in letting butterflies change everything.

For background my ending to the Great War is currently a stalemate, the Armistice is just that, rather akin to how the Korean War "ended". With much still left open, I am pondering the CPs holding on as a bloc with the USA and USSR as the "non-aligned" other powers who lean towards the Entente and CP respectively. The British never warm to the Soviets and the Germans fail to support the Whites as Lenin steers towards peace with the CP, the French are less desperate but still bled dry. The 1920s are less about disarmament but the costs of war still force a peace, treaties get settled as we get later 1920s or 1930s, more like how World War Two was finally ended.
 
Thanks Michealwest

some details
USA almost remain "hostile" neutral with German Empire until January 1917
with interception of Zimmermann Telegram radio from Berlin to German ambassador in Mexico, Heinrich von Eckardt

We intend to begin on the first of February unrestricted submarine warfare. We shall endeavor in spite of this to keep the United States of America neutral. In the event of this not succeeding, we make Mexico a proposal of alliance on the following basis: make war together, make peace together, generous financial support and an understanding on our part that Mexico is to reconquer the lost territory in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. The settlement in detail is left to you. You will inform the President of the above most secretly as soon as the outbreak of war with the United States of America is certain and add the suggestion that he should, on his own initiative, invite Japan to immediate adherence and at the same time mediate between Japan and ourselves. Please call the President's attention to the fact that the ruthless employment of our submarines now offers the prospect of compelling England in a few months to make peace.
Signed, ZIMMERMANN

But this message was intercept and translate by the British intelligence and hand over to US President Wilson
let to US severs diplomatic relations with Germany.and Pull out there military forces out Mexico, they were on hunt for Pancho Villa.
in the end the Zimmermann Telegram was the one main reason that USA declare War to German Empire on April 6, 1917
the other was sinking of Five American merchant ships by german U-boats in March.

and Mexico ?
President Venustiano Carranza assigned a military commission to assess the feasibility of such proposal
they figure out fast this would be a insane undertaking without any success.
So Venustiano Carranza decline polite the offer

Why State Secretary Arthur Zimmermann had that insane idea to send this Telegram to Mexico and after it publication even confirmed in public it to US journalist, is speculation and fierce debate under Historians.
but there this here to

In March 1917, with the imminent collapse of the Russian front, Zimmermann took steps to promote Peace in the East with the Russians, a proposal that was of immense importance to Germany at the time. The foreign secretary set forth the following: regulations for frontline contacts with the opposite side; reciprocal withdrawal of the occupied areas; an amicable agreement about Poland, Lithuania, and Kurland; and a promise to aid Russia in its reconstruction and rehabilitation. Last not least, Lenin and the émigré revolutionaries would be allowed to pass through Germany to Russia by train. These proposals once carried out, would free Germany's armies in the east and allow them to be concentrated in the west, a master-stroke that would reinforce the German western front vastly. Zimmermann thus contributed to the outcome of the October Revolution.
- source Wikipedia
 
Thanks Michealwest

some details
USA almost remain "hostile" neutral with German Empire until January 1917
with interception of Zimmermann Telegram radio from Berlin to German ambassador in Mexico, Heinrich von Eckardt



But this message was intercept and translate by the British intelligence and hand over to US President Wilson
let to US severs diplomatic relations with Germany.and Pull out there military forces out Mexico, they were on hunt for Pancho Villa.
in the end the Zimmermann Telegram was the one main reason that USA declare War to German Empire on April 6, 1917
the other was sinking of Five American merchant ships by german U-boats in March.

and Mexico ?
President Venustiano Carranza assigned a military commission to assess the feasibility of such proposal
they figure out fast this would be a insane undertaking without any success.
So Venustiano Carranza decline polite the offer

Why State Secretary Arthur Zimmermann had that insane idea to send this Telegram to Mexico and after it publication even confirmed in public it to US journalist, is speculation and fierce debate under Historians.
but there this here to

One random thought I toyed with the Zimmermann Telegram being a British black flag, or at least painted as such, then I shifted to a different spark to the War that made this all butterfly. Might be fun to have the Germans deny it as "fake news" created by British intelligence to trick America! Point to cut cables and march Zimmerman to the US Embassy to confess he was in bed with his mistress when that sorted affair was being invented in London. Muckraker papers might muddy this to oblivion.

You could have Mexico fall deeper into civil war and be less attractive, change the USA intervention to steer the USA away from being eager for war, or have the USW campaign butterflied. All things to keep the USA neutral potentially. I have a leaky blockade that takes pressure off the Germans and the USA is more aggressive about trading with the CP since the UK and France are doing better and do not need as much bought in USA. The USA is still Anglophile but business is business and the USA is not thrilled with Entente blockade. The submarines pursue a restricted campaign avoiding neutral shipping, still antagonizing, but not enflaming.

I am thrilled to read other's ideas on this. Proust!
 
fascinating Idea ! MichaelWest

To declare it as "Fake New" and play USA against Britain ( both were already in dispute about pay off of British Credits the USA bank gave)
Also let the Mexico Civil war escalate and US has to send more troops into Mexico and are unable to intervene in WW1 west front.

another option i see now is: the German high command not resume unrestricted submarine warfare in 1917 maybe they use the U-boats fleet to sink the British blockade
 
Sorry for absence here had do some thing to do for TL 2001: Space-time Odyssey

my version of war year 1917

Affaire Zimmerman Telegram defunct as "Fake news" by German Empire, in wake they temporarily hold the unrestricted U-boat War to discredit Britain.
The US Voting for declaration of War to Germany ended in stalemate between fraction im Capitol Hill (pro germans, pacifist, Isolationist vs imperialist and War fraction)
This let to deterioration of diplomatic relation with Britain over joining the war and high credits the US banks loans to them.
Russian Revolution Germany send Lenin to Petrograd
The Russian DUMA vote that party leaders are excluded from Minister post, Kerensky step back as minister or Justice
the Irish easter revolt let uprise and finally into civil war (not 1916 but a year later and better organized)
Russian April crisis about minister Pavel Milyukov letter promising to continue the war to 'its glorious conclusion', Lenin start preparation for Second revolution
The Nivelle Offensive end in disaster letting to large mutiny under French, Irish, Russians Troops on Frontline
French General Charles "The Butcher" Mangin suppress bloody the mutiny at Soission, what let to assassination of General Pétain and Mangin
General Foch become the new commander-of-chief only get refusal to obey orders by French Soldiers
Battle of Messines cancels as Irish soldiers refuse to get out trenches and try to shoot british officers
July revolution in Russian the Bolshevik under Lenin take power singing a armistice agreements with Germany
The German Imperial Army move massive troops from East front to West front by Train.

Autumn 1917
The Kaiserschlacht on three site the Germany troop ram into french Frontline, first at Soission, follow at La Boosse and St Quentin
to the Surprise of Germans there brake true at Soission are easy and secure the local railway cutting ammo supply for french frontline at St Quentin and La Boosse
General Rupprecht manage to split the British BEF from Belgium section of West front and try to reach Calais
Here General Haig makes fatal mistake, believing that he will be encircle by Rupprechts forces and orders withdrawal of BEF troops from front to Abbeville
This misjudgment by Haig, permitted Rupprecht to reach Calais and conquer it. in mean time Belgium troops are encircle and cut off from Supplies
in Mean time falls the City of Reims and Germany army move from Soission to wards Paris.
For BEF it's a Disaster they loose valuable equipment at Frontline and Calais, special a new Tank weapon now under study of german Army technicians
To make matter worst Britain has to send troops assigned for West front, now to Irland to get there situation under Control and ship troops from Canada and Australia but that take time

Winter 1917
Germans are 60 km from Paris.
Britain must ship material over Le Havre, while Dover get taste of german long range guns.
while Irland is in full civil war against Britain
King Albert of Belgium surrender to Central powers under the Treaty of de Panne.
Russia sign the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with Central powers it defined the border between them and recognition of Kingdom of Poland, the Nation of Courland, the baltic states and Finland
 
Very Fake News

OTL the Zimmerman Telegram was demand to Mexico to join forces with Central powers in case USA declaration of War to Germany
This happen on own initiative of minister Zimmerman, who in act of Absolute stupidity even confirms that to US journalist interviewing him as the telegram became public.
So why not use it as "Fake News" ? see was Bismarck dit with Fake news: it defeated France in 1870 and created the German Empire ...
 
Back on track with this TL

After studies some info on Wiki and Book
I really perplex how bad organized was OLT Irish Revolt in 1916
There was German Freighter in Tralee Bay waiting to be unloaded by Irish
it was loaded with 20,000 rifles, one million rounds of ammunition, and explosives.
And Nothing happened !

Also ended a similar project in Pacific like that, what let to Annie Larsen affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Larsen_affair
A Weapon deal between India's Ghadar Party, the Irish Republican Brotherhood and the German Foreign office
in Short the German buy US rifles over Irish Republican Brotherhood, put them on ship to bring them to India, were the Ghadar Party start a uprising against Britain.

I wonder had both shipments arrive a destination, how would affected this WW1 ?
How would deal British government this additional crisis, sending more troops to Irland and India pushing there War effort to limits and even beyond ?
or would they concentrate full on crisis in Irland AND India, While try to get a separate peace deal with Germany ?
 
My assumption is that German arms and aid to Irish and/or Indian "rebels" will be very inflammatory, it may not alter the outcome either, one might argue that having German backing will hurt the independence movements, but it might buy Germany longer term good will. Backing independence in India is a good long range goal for Germany, without India part of the Empire the British Empire unravels. Getting the Irish out of the UK is really just a distraction and Ireland likely goes neutral, perhaps this Germany gives more rhetorical aid to Ireland, but does better getting arms to India, even a failed uprising should begin the unhinging of India.

As you know my bias is to have Germany end up in the real politik position of supporting decolonialization, I assume it loses its Empire unless you have an outright victory scenario, but I have Germany "selling" its pacific holdings to the USA, something that alters the USA position in the pacific greatly. Again my bias is to have the British and Japan remain better allies longer and the USA sits suspicious and hostile to colonialism in Asia, Germany later joining, this shifts gravity from the Anglo-American relationship to a German-American one. The British were the global power in this era and without the USA getting in the war I think the British hold that primacy and the USA elevates to the same place as Germany, the next biggest and the obvious challenger, here (in these alternates) both nations are challenging the British for super power status.

I am toying with a British and German rapprochement in the later 1930s, similar to how the British began to "appease" the Nazis, I assume "Depression" era politics and the rise of the USSR dampens the hostility between these nations. That is my window for Germany to regain some colonial holdings, couched as "Mandates." It is a rough notion of mine. It plays to cooling Anglo-Japanese relations and a potential second Sino-Japanese War.

I am wondering if France would go right-wing akin to how Petain brought a right leaning new state into power after the defeat in 1940. Here the war is less obviously a defeat but it still must be humiliating for France to not win outright. I am not suggesting some Fascist regime but definitely nationalistic, conservative and blaming the "decedent" left and Third Republic democracy for the Germany victory. I assume Mussolini still rises and here I see a similar "alliance" of convenience to contain Germany but I think Italian ambitions get Italy in trouble by the later 1930s.

So far I do not see the Winter War as the USSR is less likely to risk a greater conflict with a surviving Kaiserreich who likely has better connections to Finland, but without that war the USSR looks far less menacing and Germany remains the "bad" guy in Europe. I am still pondering how A-H fairs and what becomes of Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine.

My wild card is Germany stumbling into atomic weaponry, but in this world I think the British and French are closer in time, the USA and USSR follow, Japan trails in last, but we might see a 5, 6 or 7 way "Cold War", the faults less rigid but the alliances looser too. Overall the British Empire, Germany, the USA and the USSR become our competitors in global affairs, France and Japan sit one level below, Italy plays out as a regional power. My other wild card is the Ottomans. I see the British (with Persia), the Ottomans (with Germany), and the USA as the big oil players. Lots of butterflies to pin to the wall.
 
My assumption is that German arms and aid to Irish and/or Indian "rebels" will be very inflammatory, it may not alter the outcome either, one might argue that having German backing will hurt the independence movements, but it might buy Germany longer term good will. Backing independence in India is a good long range goal for Germany, without India part of the Empire the British Empire unravels. Getting the Irish out of the UK is really just a distraction and Ireland likely goes neutral, perhaps this Germany gives more rhetorical aid to Ireland, but does better getting arms to India, even a failed uprising should begin the unhinging of India.

As you know my bias is to have Germany end up in the real politik position of supporting decolonialization, I assume it loses its Empire unless you have an outright victory scenario, but I have Germany "selling" its pacific holdings to the USA, something that alters the USA position in the pacific greatly. Again my bias is to have the British and Japan remain better allies longer and the USA sits suspicious and hostile to colonialism in Asia, Germany later joining, this shifts gravity from the Anglo-American relationship to a German-American one. The British were the global power in this era and without the USA getting in the war I think the British hold that primacy and the USA elevates to the same place as Germany, the next biggest and the obvious challenger, here (in these alternates) both nations are challenging the British for super power status.

I am toying with a British and German rapprochement in the later 1930s, similar to how the British began to "appease" the Nazis, I assume "Depression" era politics and the rise of the USSR dampens the hostility between these nations. That is my window for Germany to regain some colonial holdings, couched as "Mandates." It is a rough notion of mine. It plays to cooling Anglo-Japanese relations and a potential second Sino-Japanese War.

I am wondering if France would go right-wing akin to how Petain brought a right leaning new state into power after the defeat in 1940. Here the war is less obviously a defeat but it still must be humiliating for France to not win outright. I am not suggesting some Fascist regime but definitely nationalistic, conservative and blaming the "decedent" left and Third Republic democracy for the Germany victory. I assume Mussolini still rises and here I see a similar "alliance" of convenience to contain Germany but I think Italian ambitions get Italy in trouble by the later 1930s.

So far I do not see the Winter War as the USSR is less likely to risk a greater conflict with a surviving Kaiserreich who likely has better connections to Finland, but without that war the USSR looks far less menacing and Germany remains the "bad" guy in Europe. I am still pondering how A-H fairs and what becomes of Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine.

My wild card is Germany stumbling into atomic weaponry, but in this world I think the British and French are closer in time, the USA and USSR follow, Japan trails in last, but we might see a 5, 6 or 7 way "Cold War", the faults less rigid but the alliances looser too. Overall the British Empire, Germany, the USA and the USSR become our competitors in global affairs, France and Japan sit one level below, Italy plays out as a regional power. My other wild card is the Ottomans. I see the British (with Persia), the Ottomans (with Germany), and the USA as the big oil players. Lots of butterflies to pin to the wall.
German support in the Irish War of Independence would likely change the outcome of the war, one of the IRA's key problems was a lack of supplies which prevented anything more than surprise attacks on small patrols or police barracks, and was one of the main reasons (if not the reason) for the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, as the IRA only had about two weeks of supplies left. In the event of an Irish Civil War like OTL, German support would also give the anti-treaty side a great advantage. A pro-German Ireland would be a key strategic ally for Germany and a serious threat to the UK, allowing the Germans to base naval and air forces right next to Britain and allowing the Germans to greatly damage British trade in the event of a war.
 
German support in the Irish War of Independence would likely change the outcome of the war, one of the IRA's key problems was a lack of supplies which prevented anything more than surprise attacks on small patrols or police barracks, and was one of the main reasons (if not the reason) for the signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, as the IRA only had about two weeks of supplies left. In the event of an Irish Civil War like OTL, German support would also give the anti-treaty side a great advantage. A pro-German Ireland would be a key strategic ally for Germany and a serious threat to the UK, allowing the Germans to base naval and air forces right next to Britain and allowing the Germans to greatly damage British trade in the event of a war.

My understanding is that the most loyal and more Home Rule inclined perished in the war, the IRA leaning hard core independence folks were left, putting down the Easter Uprising swayed the populace to hostility to British rule, so your opinion is that overt German support for the IRA would tip the balance and set Ireland far more independent and hostile to the remainder UK? How does that play in wider international affairs? Were the Irish that fully committed to open warfare with England? I am also curious how the IRA would fair against British or Commonwealth troops deployed to put down what is from British perspective treason?

Would this Ireland be open to German bases, and/or would the UK allow it to happen? I agree that it would box the UK in, far worse than the perceived threat of the Channel ports, especially as airpower is coming to the fore. I would think this would essentially preclude any Anglo-German peace, the bad blood would run deep after this.
 
My understanding is that the most loyal and more Home Rule inclined perished in the war, the IRA leaning hard core independence folks were left, putting down the Easter Uprising swayed the populace to hostility to British rule, so your opinion is that overt German support for the IRA would tip the balance and set Ireland far more independent and hostile to the remainder UK? How does that play in wider international affairs? Were the Irish that fully committed to open warfare with England? I am also curious how the IRA would fair against British or Commonwealth troops deployed to put down what is from British perspective treason?

Would this Ireland be open to German bases, and/or would the UK allow it to happen? I agree that it would box the UK in, far worse than the perceived threat of the Channel ports, especially as airpower is coming to the fore. I would think this would essentially preclude any Anglo-German peace, the bad blood would run deep after this.
The terms of a treaty would likely be more favourable to the Irish (such as no oath of allegience or partition for example) but the British would probably insist on Ireland remaining within the British Empire out of fear of an Irish-German alliance. If the IRA were to refuse and demand a independent republic things get very, very bloody and would probably turn into a 1920s version of The Troubles.
It's hard to say one way or another how the IRA would do against British troops, although the Black and Tans and the Auxilaries were recruited from ex-British Army soldiers (so the same kind of training) and the IRA's guerrilla tactics would most likely remain effective.

Ireland would most likely be open to German bases in exchange for protection (and probably economic aid given that Ireland would need a new trading partner to replace the British), the UK would be heavily opposed to German bases in Ireland, although how far they would go to prevent it would depend on the strength of Germany and the IRA compared to the British and how far the Germans are willing to go.

Michael Collins was a believer in a stepping stone theory and I'd say he would most likely choose to accept Ireland remaining in the British Empire, but would attempt to leave whenever the UK looked weak (as the saying goes 'England's difficulty is Ireland's opportunity').
 
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The terms of a treaty would likely be more favourable to the Irish (such as no oath of allegience or partition for example) but the British would probably insist on Ireland remaining within the British Empire out of fear of an Irish-German alliance. If the IRA were to refuse and demand a independent republic things get very, very bloody and would probably turn into a 1920s version of The Troubles.
It's hard to say one way or another how the IRA would do against British troops, although the Black and Tans and the Auxilaries were recruited from ex-British Army soldiers (so the same kind of training) and the IRA's guerrilla tactics would most likely remain effective.

Ireland would most likely be open to German bases in exchange for protection (and probably economic aid given that Ireland would need a new trading partner to replace the British), the UK would be heavily opposed to German bases in Ireland, although how far they would go to prevent it would depend on the strength of Germany and the IRA compared to the British and how far the Germans are willing to go.

Michael Collins was a believer in a stepping stone theory and I'd say he would most likely choose to accept Ireland remaining in the British Empire, but would attempt to leave whenever the UK looked weak (as the saying goes 'England's difficulty is Ireland's opportunity').

Fascinating indeed! I have not had much chance to discuss such things with my Irish friend, but she does not go in for politics either, so I am grateful for some opinions as to how Ireland might fair. I think Germany would be hard pressed to get full advantage of this in the aftermath of a stalemated war, but I do think Germany could exploit this when it becomes more important in future. This aside has upended many of my assumptions on how far Ireland might get from a placid Isle.

Would this tend to draw the USA closer to Germany? I suspect the Anglophile elite would be aghast but the Irish vote is dawning as a major influence in American politics, by the time we get to the 1940s, a strong pro-German sentiment in Irish-American circles could warm relations between the Kaiserreich and the Americans? And chill them with the UK? That is how I have seen things play forward where the USA stays a neutral in the Great War.
 
Fascinating indeed! I have not had much chance to discuss such things with my Irish friend, but she does not go in for politics either, so I am grateful for some opinions as to how Ireland might fair. I think Germany would be hard pressed to get full advantage of this in the aftermath of a stalemated war, but I do think Germany could exploit this when it becomes more important in future. This aside has upended many of my assumptions on how far Ireland might get from a placid Isle.

Would this tend to draw the USA closer to Germany? I suspect the Anglophile elite would be aghast but the Irish vote is dawning as a major influence in American politics, by the time we get to the 1940s, a strong pro-German sentiment in Irish-American circles could warm relations between the Kaiserreich and the Americans? And chill them with the UK? That is how I have seen things play forward where the USA stays a neutral in the Great War.
Irish-American influence would probably have an effect on German-American relations, relations between Irish-Americans and German-Americans had been very good since the Boer War (where they cooperated to raise support for the Boers), and both groups were generally opposed to an American entry on the side of the Entente. (An interesting article on relations between Irish-Americans, German-Americans and Germany: https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/...irish-americans-and-supported-the-1916-rising)

The Ancient Order of Hibernians and the Deutsch-Amerikanischer Nationalbund also entered a formal partnership in 1907 which could definitely have some influence due to the voting power of the Irish-Americans and German-Americans.
 
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MichaelWest said:
Thanks for your Analyse
Special the note on Hindu uprise.
I need the Irish uprise - Civil War in 1917 only to distract the British forces and wakening the West frontline.

On german colonies and decolonialization
The German Empire in this scenario lost allot of colonies to France and Britain already in begin of WW1, except German East Africa who was successful defender by General Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck.
Since the Belgium, French surrender to Germans in 1917 and 1918, the Germans gain control over most parts of
German West Africa, French and Belgium Congo
Here the german Government could have take over the colonies with "hard hand rule"
Would not be for a German Socialist delegated Martin Dibobe, a African from Cameroon!
in OTL he made a petition in 1919 about "colonial African loyalty toward the german empire" and also about "colonial African right on self-reliance and equal rights" !
It would upsets the Colonials faction strongly, but since The German Empire has not enough man power to run "Mittelafrika"
They could shift the administration of former owner, to local Africans what could start decolonialization process on long therm.

Also in scenario use the Japanese Empire the surrender of France to occupy french Indochina as "protectorate"
much to anger of Germany and USA and France, also is China moving more to alliance to Germany (POD Chiang Kai-shek went 1906 to Prussia military Academy, not japan)

On post war France, i talked allot about with French members in this forum and in real world.
All of them say, that Right wing France in 1930s is impossible and it would be a strong Communist government instead
That fit better in my scenario since USSR is under rule of Leo Trotsky, (Stalin got shot in Civilwar)


Mussolini still rises and face the Situation that German Empire is bordering Italy
Here the Habsburg-hungary and ottoman Empire imploded in 1918, the German fraction the Deutschösterreich demand in OTL 1919 Anschlus to Weimare Republic
ITTL the German Empire welcome the Deutschösterreich into the Empire including coupled Tyrol
Mussolini has to work diplomatically with German Empire and not making them angry.

Yes the German Empire will build the Atomic Bomb and use it !
first there is not Nazi party in this scenario, the "little Annoying Austrian" and most of his gang lies in Belgium military cemeteries.
So there no political anti-Semitism in Germany and people like Einstein stay
while in france is a predominant anti-Semitism that drive allot Jews to take refuge in German Empire, Federal Belgium and Netherlands or Kingdom of Poland.
While the A-bomb was a study project in 1930s it change dramatically in 1941 with WW2 (france USSR against German Empire also German Empire/China/USA against Japan)
here the theoretical program become a full scale Weapon program and 1946 the Germans use it on USSR and Japan to terminate the War
only to let this to a Cold War between German Empire and USA&Britain

terminating the 1930s rapprochement of USA & Britain toward German Empire.
 
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Hearn said about Irland

Thanks for note on pro German Irland
i had not realized the opportunities of this
Next opening Irish Harbors for German Ships and Trade agreement with German Empire
There could come to agreement for logistic harbor for German Imperial Navy fleet. (That would drive some British Royal Navy Admirals crazy).

i try in my Scenario to keep USA out from WW1, so the warm relations between the Kaiserreich and the USA would start up in 1920s
Thanks to relations of Irish-Americans and German-Americans.
Until 1946 the German Empire use the Atomic Bomb and "Scare the Hell Out" Capitol Hill and start Cold War between USA and German Empire
i could imagine that certain Senator McCarthy could start a "witch hunt" against Irish-Americans and German-Americans
This in combination of the Civil right Movement will give a very explosive US political situation in end of 1950s !
While the USAAF is struggling to improve there aircraft against the superior German jet aircraft and this new thing the german called "Interkontinentalrakete"
 
As always I enjoy different takes on how the Great War might have been altered, I am following your thinking with great interest!

So are you having a conservative French government assume power post-war with the left resurgent by the 1930s? My read is that the French right was smaller but by no means impotent and the left was quite divided. Does your Kaiserreich see coalitions between the Liberals, Socialists and Zentrum with the Socialists growing in influence as well as moving Centre / Centre-left? If so, do you see the French socialists warming to German Social Democrats, thawing relations over time?

I agree that Germany would attract, fund and hold some amazing scientific talent, thus I foresee them getting the atomic bomb first, but I am dubious if they use it first, in fact I can foresee them never being used in anger once a "cold" war settles in. By 1941 Kaiser Wilhelm I is dead, Prince Wilhelm seems far less adventuresome outside the bedroom than his father, and if the future Wilhelm III dies in 1940 (call it fate), then one can only speculate how Louis Ferdinand might behave. I am hopeful for the erosion of power for the Kaiser and greater power in the Reichstag, Germany would see atomic weapons as strong deterrent to Communist aggression but without more I see no reason for Germany to run afoul of America aside from trade issues. But I look forward to your paths taken.
 

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By 1941 Kaiser Wilhelm I is dead, Prince Wilhelm seems far less adventuresome outside the bedroom than his father, and if the future Wilhelm III dies in 1940 (call it fate), then one can only speculate how Louis Ferdinand might behave.
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The Crown Prince dying before his father ?
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Really ill fate. Next in succession would be Prince Eitel Friedrich, who - unfortunatly - also died in 1942. He would be seen and welcomed as the new Monarch, having truly earned his Iron Crosses both classes as well as the Pour le Mèrite, only ... he didn't have an heir.
Who would follow him ?
If I understand the Hohenzollern rules right it would be his younger brother Prince Adalbert. Not much known of him beside being a fairly capable light cruiser commander. At least he had a son of whom even less is known ... only that he was the spring off of an "unequal" "war-time"-marriage. But maybe in the time of need (1948) these laws might be altered.
 
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