Joseph Patrick Kennedy survives WW2.

Yeah, from what I understand I living Joe Jr. whether he starts off in the Senate or the Governor's house would be much more of a risk taker than Jack was. I am not sure about wether he was known to be as much of a womanizer as his younger brothers so Id think he'd make a fairly strong President.

At the time of his death he was seeing a married woman. The Kennedy boys had high libidos . . . got it from old Joe.
 
At the time of his death he was seeing a married woman. The Kennedy boys had high libidos . . . got it from old Joe.

except Bobby and i think Ted as well. Bobby was completely faithful to his wife Ethel, the guy had a crazy number of kids. And i don't think Ted ever cheated.
Though that's something i always wondered how much stress did Ted feel when Bobby died, he was the father figure to something like 13 kids from Jack and Bobby, 3 from of his own and eventually 2 step kids, that would be pretty stressful
 
except Bobby and i think Ted as well. Bobby was completely faithful to his wife Ethel, the guy had a crazy number of kids. And i don't think Ted ever cheated.
Though that's something i always wondered how much stress did Ted feel when Bobby died, he was the father figure to something like 13 kids from Jack and Bobby, 3 from of his own and eventually 2 step kids, that would be pretty stressful

I don't think so didn't RFK have sex with Marilyn Monroe after his brother broke up with her?
 
ASB. No way that's happening with an Eisenhower Presidency. Apparently he gave both his brother Jack and Clinton a run for their money in *extracurricular* activities, quite excitable, etc. I also read that Jack scored an extra 10 pts on the IQ test, but they didn't tell Joe. Nixon strongly believed that RFK was the brainiest of the bunch FYI...
 
Something tells me that his Presidency would not be as successful as Jack's was. But you're right, it's a dynasty with direct succession. For some reason, in a 1965 Time article, they thought Ted would pick up the sword. Then they suddenly realized RFK was far more ambitious than his brother. :rolleyes: In 1964, were Ted three years older, LBJ seriously considered putting him on the ticket, if only to give Bobby a 100-foot finger.
 
ASB. No way that's happening with an Eisenhower Presidency. Apparently he gave both his brother Jack and Clinton a run for their money in *extracurricular* activities, quite excitable, etc. I also read that Jack scored an extra 10 pts on the IQ test, but they didn't tell Joe. Nixon strongly believed that RFK was the brainiest of the bunch FYI...

Yeah, the only way to get Governor/Senator Kennedy (When Joe Jr. his father predicted he'd be Governor one day if I remember correctly. So he might go that route instead of Jack's.) In 56' is to kill Ike off. Ike dies in 1955, and Joe Kennedy narrowly edges out POTUS Richard Nixon. And even that might not be workable.

If, "A Question of Charector" is to be believed, Joe Kennedy was a bit smarter than Jack, and more confident. He had a personality more akin to the father than Jack did. This means the Presidency of Joe Kennedy Jr. might be quiet different from Jack Kennedy's Presidency.
 
Could that include Monicagate about thirty-five years avant l'heure? Hoover allegedly had an audio definition (shudders, vomits, faints) of *Starr's transcript of "it"* on JFK IOTL. He told RFK (who was either clean or 98% clean depending on sources) about such things on numerous occasions.
 
Could that include Monicagate about thirty-five years avant l'heure? Hoover allegedly had an audio definition (shudders, vomits, faints) of *Starr's transcript of "it"* on JFK IOTL. He told RFK (who was either clean or 98% clean depending on sources) about such things on numerous occasions.

Every Senator, Representative, Cabinet Member, Secretary, and person walking ten feet into Washington on a Political basis who was under the age of 70 was screwing somebody behind their spouse's back in the day. I frankly don't think anything a President would do in that field would shock the Senate, or at least not draw out far more black mail about those Senator's own indiscretions.
 
Would Joe Jr get involved in Vietnam, and if so go the route of his brother, or follow Ike and MacArthur's advice, namely cut the Trail, clean up rural SVN, and keep Diem? Also would they go for dynasty?
 
Would Joe Jr get involved in Vietnam, and if so go the route of his brother, or follow Ike and MacArthur's advice, namely cut the Trail, clean up rural SVN, and keep Diem? Also would they go for dynasty?
Well, firstly, keep in mind that Vietnam was a hold over from Ike but wasn't a real war until Johnson. So, JPK will likely get involved somehow, but its debatable if he'd keep it just support to the South Vietnamese or actively get involved in the war with combat troops. Secondly, how Vietnam pans out depends on the Soviets. If Kennedy manages to establish good relations, and as the USSR was offering a hell of a lot of support to the North, it could lend to peace in Vietnam (the USSR and North, in the OTL, thought they were fighting a US that sought to turn Vietnam into a colony). However, I don't think Vietnam was ever winnable. The Vietnamese wanted freedom and would not give up, come rain, shine, or atom bomb. However, a stalemate for a time is perhaps plausible.
 
I need to know more, for my Joe Kennedy TL...what else does the book say?
My suggestion for a TL is to do research yourself in every facet you can that would fit. IE, how the person spoke, thought, and what they may have done, and the events of the era you're putting them in and how those might have gone differently.
 
Agreed with HIM, know your subject. Whenever I update either EE or HWE, I can hear Bobby, Maggie or Tricky Dick saying the dialogue in the proper voice. Quite literally, having a dozen books/films on the two rivals and heard their voices many times. Now if someone can mix the OTL RFK voice with Lord Black's and send me a .wav... :cool:
 
I need to know more, for my Joe Kennedy TL...what else does the book say?

sorry for taking so long to reply, but since it is a biography about Jack, it really only shows Joe from Jack's perspective.

Joe is presented as a tough man who was smarter than Jack was to a great degree.

But, since the focus is not on him, it doesn't go into the details needed for your timeline.
 
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