John I the Good King

[kasumigenx]

The terms of the Treaty of Le Goulet are as follows:
On 1200 the Treaty of Le Goulet is signed at Le Goulet at the middle of the Seine River near Vernon in Normandy.

Philip asserts the legal claims to overlordship over John’s French lands, a consequence of this treaty is the separation of the Channel Islands from Normandy.

Philip recognized John as the King of England, heir to his brother Richard I, thus formally abandoning his prior support to Arthur I, Duke of Brittany.[1]

Arthur I, Duke of Brittany is recognized as the Count of Anjou, Touraine, and Maine which strengthens the authority of the Metropolitan of Tours over Brittany which Constance and Arthur decided to support.[2]

The counts of Flanders and Boulogne are acknowledged as vassals of France and not of England and the English king is bound to not to support any of their rebellion.
John I is recognized as the suzerain of Brittany with John receiving 20,000 marks.

Territorial Concessions of the Vexin, Evrecin, Issoudun, Graçay, and the fief of André de Chauvigny in Berry were to be removed from Angevin suzerainty and put directly into that of France.

The Duchy of Aquitaine is not included in the treaty as it was held by John as heir to his still living mother, Eleanor.

John’s niece Eleanor, Daughter of his brother Geoffrey and Constance, Duchess of Brittany, and older sister of Arthur I of Brittany married Philip’s eldest son, Louis.

The failure of John I of England to obey summons in 1202 and the marriage of Isabella of Angouleme with John I would cause Philip II to seize John’s lands in Normandy with Arthur’s support as Arthur I also wanted Aquitaine which would lead to Arthur I of Brittany’s death in action and the loss of the Angevin lands of the Plantagenets.

1. John is seen as a Good King and savior of England in this timeline because Arthur was given Maine, Anjou, and Tours but Arthur would prove to be an asshole and defied the treaty along with Philip II of France and there will be another King John of France after Henry III that is why he is called as John I in this timeline.

2. The POD here is that Constance of Brittany accepts that the Archbishop would be under the Metropolitan of Tours which would mean she would be more open to a marriage between her daughter Eleanor and Louis and she does not request her daughter to leave the English court, she supported the Metropolitan of Tours as it would help his son's claim to England and the Angevin lands.

 

[kasumigenx]

On 1204, Eleanor of Aquitaine would die in Poitiers, Aquitaine which would start the plans of the French King against the English King in Aquitaine and they would plot with the King of Castile for Gascony to annex Aquitaine and for the King of Castile to annex Gascony.

After Philip II and Alfonso VIII have completely taken the Duchy of Aquitaine with Gascony going to Alfonso VIII and Aquitaine going to Philip II but this would exclude Angouleme which belonged to the Queen of England in 1205 after the death of Eleanor of Aquitaine.

Due to this Philip II would have his grand daughter Constance promised to the Future King of Castile which would be followed as her betrothal with the King of Scots would be broken in 1216 on the defeat of Louis against the English led by Henry III.

 

[kasumigenx]

On 1215, Eleanor, Duchess of Brittany and Louis of France were recognized as the King and Queen of England by the barons of England, and they would have Louis(1214), the namesake of Louis of France as the heir of Louis in England.

When he arrived, he had his daughter, Constance of France(1204), the eldest child of Eleanor, Duchess of Brittany and Louis of France betrothed to Alexander II of Scotland which would be abandoned after the defeat of Louis in England but later she would marry Ferdinand III of Castile in 1217 to continue the alliance of the French Kings with the Castilian Kings in Gascony which was started with the seizure of Aquitaine and the marriage and betrothal was the one chosen by Philip II.

Originally it was discussed that Infante Ferdinand would receive Gascony after marrying Constance but the death of his uncle, Henry changed things.

Innocent II would have Louis excommunicated due to his acceptance of the crown of England and the other thing that would have destroyed their claim was the lack of support of his father and the death of Louis’ heir to France, Philippe(1209) and the defeat of the armies of Louis of France by William Marshal after the death of John I of England would mean that Eleanor and Louis would need to abandon France in 1216, the son of Eleanor and Louis, Robert(1216) would have been born in England before they decided to accept their defeat and Henry III of England would gain the whole control of England but the French would only give up their claims to England in the Treaty of Paris on 1259.

 

[kasumigenx]

Butterflies
>>The marriage between Ferdinand III of Castile and Elizabeth Beatrice of Swabia is butterflied by the alliance of Philip II and Alfonso VIII.
>>Agnes of Bohemia marries Henry III of England instead of being a nun, she would give birth to John II of England.
>>Yolande/Isabella of Jerusalem marries Louis IX who is the son of Eleanor and Louis VIII in this timeline.

 

[kasumigenx]

On 1204, Blanche of Castile would marry her cousin Ferdinand, the heir to Leon as the replacement for her sister, Mafalda as the bride of her cousin Ferdinand which would balance the influence of her sister Berengaria in Leon.

Blanche of Castile would give birth to Infante Alfonso in 1209 who would succeed his grandfather in Leon after his father died in 1214 and her son with Ferdinand, Alfonso would succeed his grandfather, Alfonso IX as the King of Leon in 1230 as Alfonso X of Leon.

On 1220, Blanche of Castile would enter a marriage with Theobald I of Navarre, a marriage which would result in a daughter named Blanche b. 1222 who would marry the Duke of Brittany, the heir of Eleanor, Duchess of Brittany in Brittany.[1]

1. I want her to be happy in this timeline with her knight in shining armor.

 

[Ana Luciana II]

Really enjoying this TL thus far.

1. John is seen as a Good King and savior of England in this timeline because Arthur was given Maine, Anjou, and Tours but Arthur would prove to be an asshole and defied the treaty along with Philip II of France and there will be another King John of France after Henry III that is why he is called as John I in this timeline.

I find this segment particularly interesting. I’ve often thought that a lot of John’s bad reputation was down to propaganda. I do wonder what future English chroniclers will make of him - perhaps they’ll portray him as a heroic resistor of French aggression. I also think this will affect how the Robin Hood legend develops - John Deyville and his brother Robert’s exploits during the First Baronial War were among the inspirations for the legend. Also I’m glad Blanche finally had a timeline when she’s happy.

 

[kasumigenx]

Really enjoying this TL thus far.

I find this segment particularly interesting. I’ve often thought that a lot of John’s bad reputation was down to propaganda. I do wonder what future English chroniclers will make of him - perhaps they’ll portray him as a heroic resistor of French aggression. I also think this will affect how the Robin Hood legend develops - John Deyville and his brother Robert’s exploits during the First Baronial War were among the inspirations for the legend. Also I’m glad Blanche finally had a timeline when she’s happy.

I might write an alternate version of Robinhood for this timeline...I think John and Blanche will have a better fate in this timeline in the long term.

 

[kasumigenx]

1199

Constance of Brittany agrees to subordinate the Bishop of Dol to the Archbishop of Tours.



1200

Eleanor of Brittany marries Louis of France to ratify the Treaty of Le Goulet where Arthur I of Brittany receives Anjou, Maine, and Touraine as his own domain.

King John of England would marry Isabella of Angouleme.

Arthur I of Brittany enters a betrothal with Marie of France.



1202

Arthur I of Brittany decides to invade John’s domains.

Arthur I, Duke of Brittany is captured in Mirabeau.



1203

Arthur I, Duke of Brittany is killed in captivity.

Philip II annexes Anjou, Maine, Touraine, and Normandy.



1204

Constance, Princess of France, the first child of Eleanor of Brittany and Louis VIII is born.



1209

Philip of France, Louis VIII’s heir to France is born.



1212

Ferdinand of Portugal, Joanna of Flanders first husband would die in action causing her to remarry to Pierre Mauclerc making Flanders closer to the French.



1214

Louis, Prince of France is born, he would be the first son of Eleanor who would survive childhood to be born.



1215

Louis, Prince of France is offered the crown of England and his son, Louis is made the heir to the Kingdom of England.



1216

King John I of England dies.

Philip, the heir of Louis in France dies.

Louis, Prince of France is excommunicated by Innocent III.

Louis, Prince of France is defeated by William Marshall forcing him to withdraw back to France giving the throne of England to Henry III completely.



1217

Constance of France is married to Ferdinand III of Castile



1220

Constance of Aragon, Holy Roman Empress dies.

Alix of Brittany would marry Henry of Penthievre.

Blanche of Castile remarries to Theobald I of Navarre

Isabella of Angouleme remarries to Hugh of Lusignan.

 

[kasumigenx]

Eleanor of Brittany m. Louis VIII(a)

1a. Constance of France b. 1204- m. Ferdinand III of Castile, Duke of Gascony

2a. Philip of France b. 1209-1216

3a. Alix of France of b. 1210- m. Frederick II of HRE

4a. Louis XI b. 1214- m. Isabella II of Jerusalem

5a. Robert, Count of Artois b. 1216- m. Joanna of Pointhieu and Aumale

6a. William X, Count of Poitou b. 1218 m. Joanna, Countess of Toulouse

7a. Charles, Count of Anjou b. 1220 m. Margaret, Countess of Provence

8a. Arthur II, Duke of Brittany b. 1221 m. Blanche of Navarre

9a. Saint Isabelle of France b. 1222

 

[Henry III]

Why where the lords rebelling against King John if they was not excessive taxation of his Lords

 

[kasumigenx]

Why where the lords rebelling against King John if they was not excessive taxation of his Lords

I did not butterfly the reason for their rebellion, but here there is more reason for them to have his son, Henry III as the King rather than the French alternative heir who is the heir via Male Preference succession.

 

[Henry III]

I did not butterfly the reason for their rebellion, but here there is more reason for them to have his son, Henry III as the King rather than the French alternative heir who is the heir via Male Preference succession.

Why is he Good King John then and Otl Henry named both his sons after Anglo Saxon kings unless you are planing to have a very of Edward I of England son named john which in otl his first son was called John but he dead as a child,.

 

[kasumigenx]

Why is he Good King John then and Otl Henry named both his sons after Anglo Saxon kings unless you are planing to have a very of Edward I of England son named john which in otl his first son was called John but he dead as a child,.

John II is the son of Agnes of Bohemia and Henry II ITTL and has a son named Edward.
I titled the timeline good king John because he is viewed better in this timeline, and it is one of his names and not his only one.

 

[kasumigenx]

On 1226, Eleanor of Brittany and Louis VIII would be crowned as King and Queen of France, however, Eleanor would split Brittany from the inheritance by nominating her son, Arthur II as the new Duke of Brittany after her death and it would not be united with France like the other Plantagenet possessions.

On 1258, Henry III and Louis IX would start the negotiations of the treaty of Paris where Henry III gave up his claims to France and he would retain the Channel Islands as it was separated from Normandy in the Treaty of Le Goulet, they would pick Eleanor of Artois(1248), the daughter of Robert of Artois and Joan of Danmartin as the wife of Edward(1250), the grandson of Henry III and Agnes of Bohemia and the son of John II of England and Beatrice of Provence, the marriage would happen on 1263 when the two would be able to consent.

Eleanor of Artois brought the crown of her grandmother Eleanor of Brittany as Queen of France to England and used it in 1272 when she was crowned with her husband.

 

[kasumigenx]

On 1220, Constance of Aragon would die leaving behind a son who is only 9 years old named Henry, Frederick II would enter a betrothal to the young Alice of France, Alice of France is the second daughter of Eleanor of Brittany and Louis VIII and they would enter marriage in 1223, the young Princess will not have a break as she would have repeated pregnancies and she would give birth to a son named Conrad on 1228 and die of childbirth complications after giving birth to her son, Conrad.

On 1230, Frederick II would arrange to marry Isabella of England, a cousin of Alice of France, she would have a single daughter named Margaret on 1241 but compared to her cousin, Alice she would survive and outlive her husband Frederick II and was able to see her daughter Margaret marry the Landgrave of Thuringia.

Having two line of heirs to Frederick would mean that it would be easy for him to divide his domains for his heirs, after the death of his first son, Henry on 1240, he would leave behind Swabia to the children of his son Henry which would enable them to reclaim Austria later on against the Bohemians as their mother has a claim, while Conrad became the King of Sicily.