John Birch societies all over the world

Could there be John Birch societies (Anti-communist, right wing to far-right) organizations in different countries?

Does not have to be named the John Birch Society or have ties to it.
 
I don't see why there couldn't be, excepting in countries where they are actively suppressed by the government. Support for laissez-faire economics and limited government and opposition to Communism are hardly unique ideas to the U.S.A. these days, or really at any time.
 
Is this a DBWI? . . .
For example, most countries have laws that make labor unions more difficult.

And we have a lot of examples of ugly paramilitary responses to perceived left-wing activity. One such example would be the 'White Hand' in Latin America.
 
Weren't the John Birch society a group of conspiratards who accused random things like the UN of being controlled by communists...

I even heard they once claimed that President Eisenhower was a commie.
 
A political party organizes and supports candidates for elected offices. The JBS always advocated for or against candidates from established parties and did not run candidates of their own. Therefore, they were not a political party.

That was only because when it was founded there were a few far-right Democrats (mostly from the South) as well as Republicans. But that was soon to change, and since the 1980's the JBS has supported very, very few Democrats (Larry McDonald https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald was AFAIK the last significant one). For the past few decades, the Birchers have in effect simply been a far-right anti-"globalist" group within the Republican Party.

You are right that they don't have much in common with the CDU--but that's not because the CDU is a party and the JBS isn't. Rather, it's because ideologically the CDU is much too moderate and "globalist" for the JBS. They are probably closer to the AfD.

The US two-party hegemony and first-past-the-post electoral system force (or practically force) groups which would form independent parties in many other countries to instead form ideological groups usually working within a major party.
 
That was only because when it was founded there were a few far-right Democrats (mostly from the South) as well as Republicans. But that was soon to change, and since the 1980's the JBS has supported very, very few Democrats (Larry McDonald https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald was AFAIK the last significant one). For the past few decades, the Birchers have in effect simply been a far-right anti-"globalist" group within the Republican Party.
The fact that the JBS only supports candidates from one political party doesn't mean that it is a political party in its own right. Groups like Citizens United and MoveOn.org only contribute to political candidates from one of the major parties, and they are not political parties in their own right.
 
The fact that the JBS only supports candidates from one political party doesn't mean that it is a political party in its own right. Groups like Citizens United and MoveOn.org only contribute to political candidates from one of the major parties, and they are not political parties in their own right.

I specifically said that "The US two-party hegemony and first-past-the-post electoral system force (or practically force) groups which would form independent parties in many other countries to instead form ideological groups usually working within a major party." If the US had an Australian-style political system, the Birchers might form a party like Pauline Hanson's One Nation, which in fact has been accused of copying JBS materials ("Its position on the "Agenda 21" sustainable development agreement has been taken directly from a US group called The John Birch Society..." https://www.qt.com.au/news/pauline-hansons-one-nation-ripped-text-wikipedia/3060121/)
 
I specifically said that "The US two-party hegemony and first-past-the-post electoral system force (or practically force) groups which would form independent parties in many other countries to instead form ideological groups usually working within a major party." If the US had an Australian-style political system, the Birchers might form a party like Pauline Hanson's One Nation, which in fact has been accused of copying JBS materials ("Its position on the "Agenda 21" sustainable development agreement has been taken directly from a US group called The John Birch Society..." https://www.qt.com.au/news/pauline-hansons-one-nation-ripped-text-wikipedia/3060121/)
If we are talking about organizations like the JBS (a right-wing advocacy group), then we are not talking about right-wing political parties. A JBS-like group could become a political party, in which case it would no longer be a JBS-like group, or it could form an adjunct political party, in which case the JBS-like group is not a political party.
 
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If we are talking about organizations like the JBS (a right-wing advocacy group), then we are not talking about right-wing political parties. A JBS-like group could become a political party, in which case it would no longer be a JBS-like group, or it could form an adjunct political party, in which case the JBS-like group is not a political party.

Look, I don't think the distinction between party organizations and non-party organizations was central to the original post. The poster wanted to know if there could be "Anti-communist, right wing to far-right) organizations" in other countries, and I replied that there already were, sometimes taking the form of parties, sometimes not. As I understood the original post, it was simply about whether there could be organizations outside the US more or less sharing the JBS *ideology.*
 
Look, I don't think the distinction between party organizations and non-party organizations was central to the original post. The poster wanted to know if there could be "Anti-communist, right wing to far-right) organizations" in other countries, and I replied that there already were, sometimes taking the form of parties, sometimes not. As I understood the original post, it was simply about whether there could be organizations outside the US more or less sharing the JBS *ideology.*
First of all, if we already know that right-wing organizations exist, why would anybody ask if they exist. Second of all, invoking the JBS brings us into the very specific realm of right-wing political advocacy groups. Why would OP bring up the JBS if he was only asking about right-wing political parties? He even extends this by making clear to us that he is not talking strictly about foreign branches of the JBS itself.
 
First of all, if we already know that right-wing organizations exist, why would anybody ask if they exist. Second of all, invoking the JBS brings us into the very specific realm of right-wing political advocacy groups. Why would OP bring up the JBS if he was only asking about right-wing political parties? He even extends this by making clear to us that he is not talking strictly about foreign branches of the JBS itself.

I didn't say he was *only* asking about right-wing parties but that simply that they could be *included* among "Anti-communist, right wing to far-right) organizations."

I just don't see any substantive disagreement between us, and I am not going to comment any further on this matter.
 
Weren't the John Birch society a group of conspiratards who accused random things like the UN of being controlled by communists...

I even heard they once claimed that President Eisenhower was a commie.
Yep. I know too much about it, because one of my parents' good friends was involved with them when I was a teenager. They're now claiming that both US political parties - as well as the European Union - are controlled by "the Insiders," a group that's trying to implement a world government under their control. They vehemently oppose NAFTA, want the federal government cut back to its c. 1820 powers, and supported the Ron Paul campaign in 2008.

I haven't kept in touch with the JBS specifically, so I don't know what they think of Trump, but the friend I was talking about strongly supports him.
 
I interpreted the OP to mean right-wing lobby groups in other countries, featuring the same particular obsessions(or "concerns", to be charitable) as the John Birch Society.

So, not just anti-Comminist, but anti-central government, especially on issues like socioeconoic integration(ie. desegregation in an American context) and local control of education(and lets just throw fluoridation in for good measure). Also, the foreign groups would probably share the conspiratorial worldview of the JBS.

All that might be a rather tall order, since not all countries share the USA's history of states' rights and hostility to national government-intervention. In many places, for example, it is just assumed that the national government sets education standards, and right-wingers try to influence things at that level, rather than the American right's tactic of lobbying to get everything handed over to the local yokels.

And while the anti-Communist manifestation of conspiracy theories might have been appealing to international right-wingers during the Cold War, I don't think the whole "JBS/Alex Jones/anti-NWO/They're Coming For Our Guns, Martha!" line of thought is going to make a very smooth transfer to non-American countries.

Admittedly, some of that stuff is rooted in Protocol-style conspiracy mongering, which did have a following in Europe(less so in Asia and elsewhere), but the specific aspects added by the Birchers and company(basically, anti-centralization) is probably pretty unique to the USA.
 
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