Joan of Arc's Crusade Against the Ottomans

Love the map - but why does Bulgaria get part of Greece? It already has a coastline.

Because Bulgaria was to be a crusader state, and the crusaders were a much stronger part of the coalition that the Byzantines. The Byzantines would surely profit, but I don't think they'd be liberating large tracts of land themselves (at least not in Thrace). And they won't be the ones dictating the final settlement.
 
Because Bulgaria was to be a crusader state, and the crusaders were a much stronger part of the coalition that the Byzantines. The Byzantines would surely profit, but I don't think they'd be liberating large tracts of land themselves (at least not in Thrace). And they won't be the ones dictating the final settlement.

That is fair, but I think they'd likely give up parts of Thrace rather than split their territory in two. It was a crusade ostensibly for them, and they did agree to close the schism to do so. Don't get me wrong, I'd suggest the Romans pay the Bulgarian Crusader state an indemnity for a while, but at least let them be contiguous! :p
 
I think we can all agree that, with Joan of Arc having crushed the Hussites (as @RogueTraderEnthusiast suggested), the Ottomans pushed out of Europe, and the Byzantine Empire given a new lease on life, the 15th and 16th centuries are going to be radically different, even factoring in that some European explorer is likely to happen upon the New World...

Assuming the *Crusade of Varna is successful enough to produce borders close to what @Halagaz created in his map, what will Joan's next move likely be? Will she retire at this point, or will she have one or two adventures left in her?

Maybe she tries to push further into Anatolia? Perhaps she organizes an even riskier crusade to capture Jerusalem and/or Alexandria? After all, the Mameluk Sultanate was past its prime at this point anyway, which IOTL the Ottomans would ultimately exploit. Or maybe she joins up with Castile to make war upon Granada? Joan or Arc's Reconquista?
 
I think she would have gone home(she said a # of times IRL after Charles was crowned that her parents needed her help there & she wanted, having defied them on leaving in the 1st place, to make it up to them)
 
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I was actually making a map of this scenario at one point, based on the existing plans and developments between the Crusader allies. But I never got around to finishing it. The outline looks like this:

vrnskc1.png


The Byzantine Empire regains central Greece and most of Thrace.
The crusading army resurrects Bulgaria as a kingdom, and John Hunyadi is its first king.
Serbia restores its pre-war territories and expands slightly.
Venice regains some ports in the Aegean and Greece. Most importantly, the Venetians might get the city of Thessaloniki, and maybe even Gallipoli.
Ragusa starts off a tiny merchant Empire by acquiring one or two ports in Albania.

I would love to see more of this, kicking the Ottomans out of Europe, and stillborn the Classical Age of the Ottoman Empire is most fun to play with.
 
That is fair, but I think they'd likely give up parts of Thrace rather than split their territory in two. It was a crusade ostensibly for them, and they did agree to close the schism to do so. Don't get me wrong, I'd suggest the Romans pay the Bulgarian Crusader state an indemnity for a while, but at least let them be contiguous! :p

Eh, contiguity is cool, but we can't really expect it of these times.

I would love to see more of this, kicking the Ottomans out of Europe, and stillborn the Classical Age of the Ottoman Empire is most fun to play with.

I hope to finish the map, I don't know when though.
 

Contiguity is sooo, like, modern times...

About the idea, I am fascinated by it and would love to see I timeline on it. One thing I seem to notice is the fact that this idea, even more so than others i have seen here, is more or less entirely defined by their personal interpretation of the historical figure's character (in this case Joan). I could genuinely see both 'ambitious power grabbing' Joan and the 'Crusading Holy Maiden' Joan, and I kinda love that
 

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I was actually making a map of this scenario at one point, based on the existing plans and developments between the Crusader allies. But I never got around to finishing it. The outline looks like this:

vrnskc1.png


The Byzantine Empire regains central Greece and most of Thrace.
The crusading army resurrects Bulgaria as a kingdom, and John Hunyadi is its first king.
Serbia restores its pre-war territories and expands slightly.
Venice regains some ports in the Aegean and Greece. Most importantly, the Venetians might get the city of Thessaloniki, and maybe even Gallipoli.
Ragusa starts off a tiny merchant Empire by acquiring one or two ports in Albania.
Macedonia?
 
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