Jewish China

[Haggis]

Beautiful! Simply beautiful, I strongly urge you to take this through to the present day, just to see what it'll look like.

 

[David bar Elias]

Beautiful! Simply beautiful, I strongly urge you to take this through to the present day, just to see what it'll look like.

That's the plan...

 

[mikegold]

That's the plan...

!!!

I love you, in a totally not-gay way.

 

[Hendryk]

Two previous attempts at writing a Jewish China TL are this one and this one.

 

[Imperator]

I'm really impressed with this timeline, DBE. Please continue.

 

[David bar Elias]

Thanks folks. I'll try to write an update ASAP.

 

[fortyseven]

Good stuff. Please continue.

 

[Hendryk]

I think this development probably butterflies away the Timurids and the Moghols...

 

[David bar Elias]

Thanks guys.

At the moment I'm redoing what I've had so far, and I'm trying to take it all the way to the reign of Solomon Khan.

 

[Wendell]

I'm curious to see where this goes.

 

[David bar Elias]

I'm curious to see where this goes.

Very interesting places, though of course the challenge is for a Jewish China, not necessarily a Jewish world... I still need time to flesh out what I have though.

 

[Kidblast]

Which title- Deboran Judaism or Lion of Judah?

And yes, I think you would have to limit circumcision to a select few. Maybe zealous warriors undergo the process later in life, but it remains mostly confined to the clergy.

They could just start circumcising all of their sons on the 8th day without doing it to themselves. No need for Adult circumcision.

Yishar Koach on a job well done David! I can't wait for more!

 

[HueyLong]

They could just start circumcising all of their sons on the 8th day without doing it to themselves. No need for Adult circumcision.

But doing it to a kid would seem very odd to the Mongols. Its not just the matter of adult circumcision, but cutting around down there is just not done in a number of societies. Its viewed with distaste, as a sign of emasculation.

I think it would only be done by the devout few, and in their adult lives.

 

[Kidblast]

But doing it to a kid would seem very odd to the Mongols. Its not just the matter of adult circumcision, but cutting around down there is just not done in a number of societies. Its viewed with distaste, as a sign of emasculation.

I think it would only be done by the devout few, and in their adult lives.

Perhaps not at first, but as more Old time Jews move to Mongolian lands, I'd expect that the practice would increase so that in 200 years, almost all men are circumcised at birth. Especially, if they start to read the Torah and the Talmud. It's pretty explicit what you should do in Genesis.

 

[HueyLong]

Perhaps not at first, but as more Old time Jews move to Mongolian lands, I'd expect that the practice would increase so that in 200 years, almost all men are circumcised at birth.

That depends on how Deboran Judaism evolves, which is something we can leave to David. He hasn't indicated whether "real" Jews hold their identities separate from the Deborans.

Personally, I kind of like the idea of circumcision becoming an exclusive thing in Deboran Judaism. Something that marks the priests and the extreme faithful. Obviously, among the many Jewish sects, it would vary.

 

[David bar Elias]

Well, I was planning for more traditional Western Judaism to diffuse throughout the Mongol states that dominate the Middle East (Jewish refugees from Europe), while Deboran Judaism takes hold in China and parts of southeast Asia. The Central Asian Mongol states lean more towards Deboran Judaism as well.

 

[Hendryk]

Personally, I kind of like the idea of circumcision becoming an exclusive thing in Deboran Judaism. Something that marks the priests and the extreme faithful. Obviously, among the many Jewish sects, it would vary.

I assume the same would apply to eating pork. The Chinese didn't become vegetarians when they took up Buddhism, I don't see them giving up their staple source of animal proteins in the event that they take up Judaism.

 

[Dan1988]

Well IIRC the kashrut laws apply to meat. So long as the animal ruminates (aka chewing the cud) and have cloven hooves, then it's okay. In addition, if the animal is to be slaughtered, it has to be in a way in which there is respect for the animal. Also eating blood is prohibited.

Thus, despite what people think, kashrut laws do not enforce vegitarianism on Jews (unless you're an Ebionite).

 

[David bar Elias]

I assume the same would apply to eating pork. The Chinese didn't become vegetarians when they took up Buddhism, I don't see them giving up their staple source of animal proteins in the event that they take up Judaism.

That's more or less what I've planned out. Pork will be scorned by the nobility, rabbinate, and the ultra-orthodox sects and orders that inevitebly spring up, but it's not going to stop the consumpsion of pork by the rest of society.

 

[fortyseven]

The Mongols ate other non-kosher animals too I'm sure. They probably ate cheese with meat too.