Jesus Christ in a surviving Hasmonean state

So let's say something happens that allows the Hasmonean kingdom to remain independent well into the birth and lifetime of Jesus Christ.
How would Christianity be influenced if Jesus lived and preached in an independent Jewish state as opposed to Judea under Roman rule?
 

Hendryk

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Let's start with the obvious question: wouldn't the butterflies take care of Jesus's birth, since the POD would be several decades earlier? Even his parents may not be around.
 
And Christianity as we know it would not exist even if Jesus taught and believed everything orthodox Christianity tells us he taught and believed. Not only was the quick spread of Christianity made possible by the fact the sect developed in the Roman Empire, the successful variants we know today were highly influenced by Greek and Hellenistic thought.
 
And Christianity as we know it would not exist even if Jesus taught and believed everything orthodox Christianity tells us he taught and believed. Not only was the quick spread of Christianity made possible by the fact the sect developed in the Roman Empire, the successful variants we know today were highly influenced by Greek and Hellenistic thought.

Not only that but Judaism may well have become somewhat-different. If the Hasmoneans preserve an independent Jewish state for longer, the question of how other states would necessarily see their Jewish populations is.....interesting. Hellenism and Judaism weren't exactly sunshines and pixies and rainbows with each other, and in the event of a Jewish state with a people that were even then more in the Diaspora than in Palestine, what happens then?

Would some Jews elsewhere start building their own temples to rival the one in Jerusalem? Another Elephantine Temple, perhaps? Judaism would be changed in the long term if the Hasmoneans last into the late 1st Century or so as an independent kingdom, to say nothing of the complete butterflying of a recognizable Christianity.
 
I cannot agree more strongly with the others that point out that a surviving Hasmonean kingdom would butterfly away Jesus' birth let alone the cultural environment which led to his philosophies. Judaism is going to be markedly different and Judaism's relationship with the surrounding cultures is going to be markedly different too.

The idea that in this time line Jesus would be born and still develop the same philosophies is as likely as Leda actually being impregnated by a swan.
 
Christianity would probably be butterflied away entirely, even if Jesus is born as in OTL.
 
Interestingly, I was just pondering the same question.

It really is hard to say. A lot of people don't think Jesus would even be born. But I'm willing to bet that there would be an analogue, a Jewish man with similar thoughts who might be seen as the messiah, the promised one, by other jews. There would still be a lot of permeating Hellenistic thought (even Maccabees, the book about how the Jews ousted the Greeks, was written in Greek).

Would this Christ have the exact same theology, likely not. But the circumstances are still ripe for Judaism to evolve a messianic branch. The Hasmoneans were very corrupt, and could be seen by the people as traitors to God, or the people, or any myriad of reasons. Historically, the people of Judah were rarely content with their rulers, but then again, they rarely had good rulers. You have several Jewish sects that would be present and would influence the christ analogue (zealots, pharisees, scribes, hermits).

if this pseudo-christianity catches, it might be seen as a threat by the hasmonians, the christ-figure executed, and the pseudo-christians are forced into either exile or persecution from the state. But in order for this christianity to be something different than just another jewish sect, it needs to convert. how well they do so depends on the world outside judea.
 

Zioneer

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It's not the first time e's done it. In fact, e hasn't done anything else.

Checking through his posts... yeah, you're exactly right.

And this isn't the first time I've seen a person get a username based on a well-known historical figure solely to look for the figure's name being mentioned.

I think that this sort of thing should get a warning from the mods.
 
Given Jesus's friction with the religious leadership of His time and the fact that the Hasmonean state would be able to impose capital punishment, I could imagine Him being stoned to death rather than being crucified.
 
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