Japanese Victory (?)

Cook, Miracle At Midway also make reference to the war games and Ugaki's decision to not only cut losses when the operation began to turn sour on the gaming board but to then resurrect a lost carrier for future operations.

That book is also considerate of Nagumo, noting that many of the criticisms against him are based on the battle's outcome and would never have been made if not for a few brief minutes when the American dive bombers were in right place at the right time.
 
OK-this is a dystopian ASB view. How would Mao have gotten thermonuclear tipped ICBMs in the '70s in this timeline when ITL the Chinese don't have them now?

It isn´t as much Chinese ICMBs as a large part of the soviet arsenal handed over by generals who refuses surender to the US. Beside, with Japan in the west, Chinese have been more enclined to industrialise from 1950 to 1970, unhindered technical cooperation with the Soviet-Union until the late 60s.

The Australians folding like a wet paper sack when the Japanese invade the northern part of Australia? Too much to handle.

With the forces that TTL invaded the Phillipines and fought against the US directed south, the US not declaring war and the UK too occupied in north africa, Australians fears too much the yellow invasion to keep in the war, while non-agression pact with Japan gives back Darwin and buy them the time to constitute a better defence force.
 
It is difficult to see the USN sending Ranger into the Pacific, she was not considered to be combat capable,

Well, she was sent IOTL to do training Ops.

But, most importantly, no one has suggested putting her on the front line. Shuttling in planes and then skidaddling isn't combat ops. Certainly Ranger was more capable than Langley and Langley was used in the Pacific to shuttle planes about - in fact, Langley had just made a delivery of P-40s when she was sunk.
 
With the forces that TTL invaded the Phillipines and fought against the US directed south, the US not declaring war and the UK too occupied in north africa, Australians fears too much the yellow invasion to keep in the war, while non-agression pact with Japan gives back Darwin and buy them the time to constitute a better defence force.

Its a pretty big blow to American interests in Western Pacific, and somewhat better understanding of US politics or no, the Japanese would still want to secure the Philippines to reinforce their SEA supply lines. Even with no hostilities, the Americans could just up their support of China and the Japanese, however pissed, won't be able to do much short of war.

And that will be pretty much inevitable if Japan decides to continue playing 10-yr old spoilt brat.

A better POD would be sometime in the early 1900s, like a horribly costly Tsushima...
 

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You really shouldn't use that stuff, but since it's already lit let me have a hit.
Somewhat a slightly better understanding of US politics. September 1941, the UK invades Iran before the Soviet-Union does. Japan uses that as a casus belli to declare war on the Brit empire.
Without Hawaii attack and Phillipines to deal with, the Japanese invades northern Australia by mid 42. Australia sign a non-agression pact and falls out of the war soon after, mainly preparing itself against another Japanese invasion, the US send a fleet to Manilla but Roosevelt can´t gather the support necessary to declare war.
The Japanese are able to win a battle along the east coast of India in spring 43, where a revolt begin.
Churchill decides to sign a peace traty with Japan, writting off european colonies for the Japanese stopping advance in India.
Summer 1943, Red Army win major battle and Hitler decides to fully mobilize the German economy as axis forces retreats from the caucase and the UK land its forces in north africa.
By autumn an incident gather enought support for Roosevelt to declare war to Germany, Japan is mainly ignored afterward, Brits besieges Tunisia.
By the end of 1943, the axis retreats from Tunisia.
Early 1944, Red Army recaptures Minsk, in spring a battle further south see a major axis defeat before axis production can really kick in in summer 44.
Between spring and summer 44, allies advances into southernmost Italy but are bogged down.
The Red Army invades Romania, cuts-off oil supplies for the axis, major blow.
Before the end of the year, thinning occupation forces in France allows a revolution which allows the allies to come in.
By spring 1945, France is mostly liberated, some generals takes power and surrender Germany to the allies.
Red Army occupies half of Germany and Italy, all of Austria.
Stalin demands the return of southern Sakhalin and Kuril islands in summer 45, peace treaty signed on September 2nd.
Cold war begins, June 1946, first atomic bomb. The Uk decides to take back eastern India but guerilla warfare and insurrections begin to spread. In 1947-1948, increase violence sin the middle-east results in open war.
1949, tensions result in Berlin blockade. 1950, the Soviet-Union detonates its first atomic bomb, Mao reunify non-Japanes China.
Japan begin receiving assistance from the US against an eventual Soviet invasion, even if the UK doesn´t appreciate.
1955, Mao launch a major offensive against the Japanese puppet states, US begin sending increased assistance to Japan.
1957, Krushnev decides to invade Yugoslavia, alt-nato declares war and soon launch a major offensive into eastern Germany, they suffer a major defeat and the Soviet-Union launch its own offensive into the north of western Germany, as well as Holland and Belgium. Then, Normandie follows, nato supply lines are disrupted without Amsterdam. The Chinese makes peace with the empire of Japan and begin sending forces west.
1958, the Red Bloc occupies Northern France and western Germany but the US send increased forces, eventually the Red Army triumph in France and southern Italy.
1959, Turkey and Iran follows, major insurrection in India supported by the Red Army.
The US accumulates forces in north africa and in the zionist state.
1960, the arabe states sides with the US rather than face invasion and communism, major battles in the middle-east.
By the end of the year, the Red Army is pushed back to Turkey and Iran, oil ressources are under relative protection.
1961, while the Red Army fortifies Turkish and Iranian positions, the US invades Spain quickly, the Red Army is soon facing battles in western and southern France. The US/UK forces even launch an offensive on Paris but the attack fail.
1962, war escalates in the French front, the allies launch an offensive into Turkey, where a revolution occures.
Revolt in Istanbule is crushed and the city is divided between Bulgaria and Greece.
After the Red Army have retreated from Turkey, fight goes on in the caucase and Iran.
1963, the US launch a major offensive into France, the Red Army isn´t prepared for the US military´s willingness to fight on despite major losses. Many "allied" soldiers are executed for cowardice and desertion during the battle of France.
By the end of the year, allies forces reaches the german border.
1964, by spring the Rhineland have been taken back but the region is just one vaste wasteland, only by early summer does the alliance cross the Rhine.
Much of west Germany and Holland is completely devastated in this liberation, Veinna and Berlin aren´t reached by the end of the year.
Italy suffers a similar fate and the allies advances into Yugoslavia, where Tito leads another insurrection.
1965, Ceausescu launch a military coup and secure an alliance with the west to remain in power, Bulgaria and Greece becomes neutral.
Battles of Vienna and Berlin, ballistic missiles rains uppon Hungarya and Poland as bombers are interdicted by anti-aircraft missiles.
Much of Poland is reduced to a devastated wasteland as the allies pushes forward.
The corrupt and incompetent krushnev regime have grown even weaker over the last 8 years of war and begin to unravel.
1966, the Soviet-Union begin to breake appart in power rivalry and collapse of order, numerous riots begin.
Military launch a coup to restaure order but Krushev decides to fight back, causing a short civil war, Red Army retreates because of the home disaster.
The allies enter the Soviet-Union but still face considerable fighting and their supply lines are stretching far more than they should.
1967, new division in the Soviet-Union between those who surrender and those who want to keep fighting. The latter are backed by the Chinese, Mao want to dominate a rump Soviet-Union.
1968, the Chinese attempts to take over Moscow and Leningrad but faces an armed revolution across the SU, much of the SU thermonuclear arsenal falls under Chinese control.
The US decides to side with the revolutionnaries and allied forces advances quickly through the european Soviet-Union.
1969, the allies battles Mao in central asia and Siberia.
1970, China itself is invaded, massive resistance from the Chinese, over 100 millions casualties in the battle for China.
1971, from regions still held by the Chinese communists, Mao order thermonuclear strikes against the cities of north america, turkey, middle-east and england.
The US launch a massive retaliation against the Chinese remants, resulting in hundreds of millions of civilian casualties.
US governement is destroyed, what is left are generals hidden in their bunkers squabbling over who will take power.
1972, the Japanese army decides to seize all territories in China that are relatively uncontaminated.
1973, the Phillipines are seized by Japan, one US general dominates the west coast of the US and decides to take back the Phillipines.
The US fleet is large but Japanese industry is intact.
In 1974, the US looses the battle of Midway, by 1975 the west coast gives up the fight and the Japanese dominates asia.
South american countries faces revolutions and some begin to side with the asian cooprosperity sphere.
Between 1975 and 2000, Japan becomes the world´s leading superpower, followed closely by Militarist Republic of Russia and an european union centered around Belgrad, Madrid and Berlin.
 
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Actually, I think the Midway battle would've been a gigantic disaster for the japanese invasion forces. The US were 1,000 troops less, barely. The Japanese only hurt the AA sites, there were thousands of mines around the island made the day before and 5 light tanks. The Japanese ships needed time to

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