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Is it in any way possible with a POD after 1900 for the outcome of WW2 be an Imperial Japanese victory and a German defeat? By victory I mean the leadership of the country is satisfied with the goals they accomplished.
 

Cook

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Pretty much as David said. Once Germany is dealt with, regardless of how successful Japan has been they are going to face the combined weight of the allied powers.
 
In a scenario similar to WW2? No.

It;s possible for Japan to be satisfied with it's goals after a second world war, but not when it's on the side same side as Germany. When the ally with superior industry falls, you're soon to follow, if you haven't already, because the enemy with even greater industry than said ally is turning all it's attention on you.
 
You'd need FDR to be an isolationist and not give two shits about Japanese expansionism. Then Japan could force a favorable peace on China (maybe, depending on how sane the military leadership is that day), snatch up some choice areas, create some puppet client states and leave it at that.

Problem is that even with the USA turning a blind eye there are many ways Japan could draw a DOW from the UK, which gets the USA into the fight in *some* form.
 

celt

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The only thing thats possible for a sort of victorous Japan,is if they see sense end the war in China and repairs relations with the US.

If the war in Europe ends in a similar way,you could end up with the US and Japan having a common enemy in the USSR and a cooling down of their rivalry in the Pacific.

This way Japan would still have Korea,Taiwan and probably Manchuria as well under it control.


Such a Japan by the 60s/70s could be the 3rd superpower in the cold war.

But this is all probably ASB considering the lunacy of Japan leaders.
 

Cook

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You'd need FDR to be an isolationist and not give two shits about Japanese expansionism.
He would have to be more than isolationist. Most Isolationists were still big believers in defending American ‘rights’ in China and America’s Asian Empire.

Besides which, such an isolationist stance would make Germany being defeated problematic.
 
How do you define victory? Under the circumstances, I can imagine...no occupation, no indemnity, and if they're lucky they get to keep Korea. That's an absolute best case scenario.

That, though, is relatively simple; have FDR decide to honor the two-term precedent and step down in 1940. His designated successor was Cordell Hull, whom the party would nominate because FDR said to, and Hull would beat the Republican despite being a Southerner.

Hull is an interventionist - and a Japanophile. He will be giving Churchill an upfront committment to US participation in a postwar multilateral body, which FDR wouldn't, and he will seize on the ships sunk by German submarines to put a declaration of war to the Senate 6 months ahead of OTL. He'll get it, but without Pearl Harbor there will be significant domestic opposition to the war.

However, six months early, the Japanese are not prepared. The Americans are overconfident, but on balance I think the Pacific theatre will go marginally better for the Americans. And in 1944, worried that he's dying, afraid of losing his reelection bid, and eager to create a postwar scenario where Japan is a Pacific ally of America rather than a colony, he offers an incredibly generous peace, which Japan accepts, to more than a little grumbling on both sides of the ocean. Methinks the Pacific will not work out the way Hull hopes, but then, what ever does?
 
This would depend on what the POD is and when it is. The closer to 1900 you make the POD the less likely a recognisable WWII analogue will arise. On the other hand, if the POD is too close to the OTL WWII dates then the chances of Japanese victory decline precipitously assuming a similar set of alliances as OTL.

Japanese victory in WWII has been discussed on a number of other threads and, as far as I understand it, it is generally felt that it would require a pre-1900 POD to make Japan competitive by the end of the 1930's. Of course, you would be highly unlikely to see a recogniseable WWII with a POD that early.
 
Is it in any way possible with a POD after 1900 for the outcome of WW2 be an Imperial Japanese victory and a German defeat? By victory I mean the leadership of the country is satisfied with the goals they accomplished.

I agree with the other posters that there is no that the Japanese could accomplish their goals, either those determined before 1941 or those dreamed up immediately after 1941. But they could have fought a war that didn't end in occupation.
 
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