Japanese invasion of Russia 1941

Do you realize that number of vehicles were designed not directly for use in division but for supplying Army from railway hubs? In distances of Siberia and Manchuria with their railway connections? Soviets used 100 000 trucks for their advanced according to Glantz in 1945! There were probably not so many modern trucks available in Japan at the time. And fuel! How much fuel you will need to transport to support them? That's was one big problem Soviets were chellenging in 1945.

According to Glantz the 1945 Manchurian Offensive had 85,819 vehicles to support an advance across both sides of that territory. Hachi-Go called for one advance against Primorye and than another against Lake Baikal if all went well. Considering that the Kwantung Army's 763,000 men had 29,000 vehicles between them, extending the ratio to 1.3 million gets more than 49,400. And again, what the Japanese lacked the Soviets would have lacked even moreso.
 
And fuel! How much fuel you will need to transport to support them? That's was one big problem Soviets were chellenging in 1945.

The Japanese had a large strategic reserve available, and if they could get the US embargo down they could simply import more.
 
on a tangential note, there was a makeshift design from the time where the engine of a truck can run on wood - so you cut down trees as you go along to deployment.
still used regularly in NK forces.
Of course, used widely in Europe during WWII. But to its much more time consuming. Widely used in rear areas and on Germany occupied territory however never saw pictures of vehicle used by combat troops using them much. Wide areas Japanese needed to advance through look like this:
Mongolia-Shaman-Horse-Trek-01.jpg
 
I would say he means what they had OTL for Navy.

That must be the most bottom-of-the-barrel shit, the Japanese had such a lack of metals that they had to scavenge from Korean households for pots, pans, spoons, etc. And that was 1940.

Of course, used widely in Europe during WWII. But to its much more time consuming. Widely used in rear areas and on Germany occupied territory however never saw pictures of vehicle used by combat troops using them much. Wide areas Japanese needed to advance through look like this:
It'd make a beautiful film though. Imagine a Japanese infantry lost in that terrain.
 
According to Glantz the 1945 Manchurian Offensive had 85,819 vehicles to support an advance across both sides of that territory. Hachi-Go called for one advance against Primorye and than another against Lake Baikal if all went well. Considering that the Kwantung Army's 763,000 men had 29,000 vehicles between them, extending the ratio to 1.3 million gets more than 49,400. And again, what the Japanese lacked the Soviets would have lacked even moreso.
According to Glantz, page 34 it was total of 97 972 vehicles in Trans Baikal Front, 1st Far Eastern Front, Air Armies, Air Defense Army and and 6th Guard Army. And they designed hundreds of planes to flew in gas and supplies!
 
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That must be the most bottom-of-the-barrel shit, the Japanese had such a lack of metals that they had to scavenge from Korean households for pots, pans, spoons, etc. And that was 1940.


It'd make a beautiful film though. Imagine a Japanese infantry lost in that terrain.
According to one of books mentioning on Japanese truck and car manufacturing they were badly hit by US embargo on scrap metal as it was widely used in their automobile production.
 
I would say he means what they had OTL for Navy.

According to one of books mentioning on Japanese truck and car manufacturing they were badly hit by US embargo on scrap metal as it was widely used in their automobile production.

That must be the most bottom-of-the-barrel shit, the Japanese had such a lack of metals that they had to scavenge from Korean households for pots, pans, spoons, etc. And that was 1940.

This is meaningless. The main prerequisite for the invasion of the USSR in the first place (and the reason it didn't happen in real life) is the lifting of the US embargoes. Without that: no invasion.

In any regard, according to one source (don't have it on me this second and will have to find it) the Japanese government reckoned that with the US embargoes they had about 2 years to work with before supplies totally gave out.
 
According to Glantz, page 34 it was total of 97 972 vehicles in Trans Baikal Front, 1st Far Eastern Front, Air Armies, Air Defense Army and and 6th Guard Army. And they designed hundreds of planes to flew in gas and supplies!

:confused: Page 34 of Glantz's paper is a map of Manchuria.

According to him here: http://archive.is/NdpfH

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This table is also present on page 42 of the link you posted.

Of course, used widely in Europe during WWII. But to its much more time consuming. Widely used in rear areas and on Germany occupied territory however never saw pictures of vehicle used by combat troops using them much. Wide areas Japanese needed to advance through look like this:

It looks like flat, stable ground, perfect for trucks, horses, and tanks.
 
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:confused: Page 34 of Glantz's paper is a map of Manchuria.

According to him here: http://archive.is/NdpfH

2v96nt0.jpg


This table is also present on page 42 of the link you posted.



It looks like flat, stable ground, perfect for trucks, horses, and tanks.

You looking in different paper. maybe Leavenworth papers? I am talking about book The Soviet Strategic Offensive in Manchuria, 1945: 'August Storm' . You can actually check it online in Google books.
https://books.google.com/books?id=e...-Ch11tgB9#v=snippet&q=transport units&f=false

Speaking of this page. Thanks for reminding. Once there check page 33. ery interesting how many units Soviets designed just for road construction.
 
In any regard, according to one source (don't have it on me this second and will have to find it) the Japanese government reckoned that with the US embargoes they had about 2 years to work with before supplies totally gave out.
That would correspond with lower truck production already in 1942, wouldn't it?
 
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You looking in different paper. maybe Leavenworth papers? I am talking about book The Soviet Strategic Offensive in Manchuria, 1945: 'August Storm' . You can actually check it online in Google books.
https://books.google.com/books?id=e...-Ch11tgB9#v=snippet&q=transport units&f=false

Speaking of this page. Thanks for reminding. Once there check page 33. ery interesting how many units Soviets designed just for road construction.

Glantz's paper is Leavenworth paper number 7, the source I posted above.

EDIT: the source you posted says on page 39 the Soviets had 83,143 vehicles in the Far East on August 8, 1945. And yes, I see the Soviets did commit a large number of road construction units: 52 in all.
 
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Glantz's paper is Leavenworth paper number 7, the source I posted above.

EDIT: the source you posted says on page 39 the Soviets had 83,143 vehicles in the Far East on August 8, 1945. And yes, I see the Soviets did commit a large number of road construction units: 52 in all.
You see and on page 32 he mentions by August 9 Soviet Far East Command was able to field over 100 000 trucks and tractors. Numbers could probably vary what you count. Just Far East Fronts and Baikal front's land forces, Navy, maybe some separate units.
 
Alright. After having seen the original source from which Tsouras' Hachi-Go scenario is based in another thread, I have been convinced that his version of the offensive was impossible given the geo-political realities Japan faced in 1941. Therefore, any realistic hypothetical attack on the Soviet Union barring a major POD several years back in time would have to center around a buffed-up Kantokuen, probably a maximum of around 30 divisions or equivalents. Nevertheless it is the opinion of Alvin D. Coox and Maj. Gen. Kazakovtsev that even this could have produced an Axis victory. Owing to the fact that it's nearing midnight for me, the next posts I make on the subject will have to be held off until tomorrow.
 
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