Japan with allies

What if japan was part of the allies because allies give good trade agreements,and get italy colonies
So... The West suddenly bends over backwards to give Japan free stuff (remember, they don't have a whole lot of way of paying for much), to let them continue murdering and raping in China?

Oooo.... Let's see your PoD for THAT?
 
So... The West suddenly bends over backwards to give Japan free stuff (remember, they don't have a whole lot of way of paying for much), to let them continue murdering and raping in China?

Oooo.... Let's see your PoD for THAT?

They might if Japan opened China to trade for everyone, and restricted themselves to a modest exclusive zone. This would require a change in Japanese decision making, and in their rhetoric for the previous decade, but that could be the PoD. The Allies parcelled out Poland to secure their alliance, I can imagine them doing the same to China.
 
Japan would need to be democratic also
Like the Soviets you mean? Or Ethiopia? Or, hell Poland?
Yea, I guess being to busy murdering your own people so you won't go around murdering people in foreign lands is democratic enough. Also being invaded by the NAZIs helps. Unfortunately Japan is too far out of the way for that. If Germany still had colonies in Asia, Alaska or even the Eastern African seabord, I could see the allies turning a blind eye on Japan 'liberating' this regions, even make them a member of the good guys gang pro forma. But like with the Soviets in Korea, eventually Japan will default on its wartime promises of giving their new colonies to the UN and 1950 would give us the Japanese war instead of the Korean.
 
POD Japan opens trade with China for everyone in exchange for the West opening up a large number of small trade niches for Japan. A lot of small trade niches could well equal a large one without angering trade unions and giant corporations.
 

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What if japan was part of the allies because allies give good trade agreements,and get italy colonies

Italy colonies? Why the hell do they get/want Italian Somali (I assume this is the closest Italian colony to Japan)?

Since you didn't clarify which war, I will automatically assume you mean allies in WW1. Your best chance for the Western Allies in WW1 to give them colonies and stuff (won't be Italian) is probably have the Netherlands side with central powers.

As for WW2, maybe have GB and France intervene in Finland successfully thus bringing the USSR on the Axis side permanently. Japan is then offered by the allies the ability to do whatever in China and a shit ton on money/oil/natural resources if they declare war on the Soviets
 
That WW2 possibility Might be possible but it could piss off the US. Especially the China Lobby.
 
Italy colonies? Why the hell do they get/want Italian Somali (I assume this is the closest Italian colony to Japan)?

Since you didn't clarify which war, I will automatically assume you mean allies in WW1. Your best chance for the Western Allies in WW1 to give them colonies and stuff (won't be Italian) is probably have the Netherlands side with central powers.

As for WW2, maybe have GB and France intervene in Finland successfully thus bringing the USSR on the Axis side permanently. Japan is then offered by the allies the ability to do whatever in China and a shit ton on money/oil/natural resources if they declare war on the Soviets

Doubtful, Hitler will back-stab the USSR sooner or later. He wants his armies to go east against the Slavs.
Nightmare scenario, the Wallies go to war with the USSR over Finland then Germany back-stabs the USSR as OTL and the Wallies ally with Japan to back-stab the USSR. So you have a 3 sided war the Wallies + Japan vs the USSR vs Germany + Italy
 
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As for WW2, maybe have GB and France intervene in Finland successfully thus bringing the USSR on the Axis side permanently. Japan is then offered by the allies the ability to do whatever in China and a shit ton on money/oil/natural resources if they declare war on the Soviets

Doubtful, Hitler will back-stab the USSR sooner or later. He wants his armies to go east against the Slavs.
Nightmare scenario, the Wallies go to war with the USSR over Finland then Germany back-stabs the USSR as OTL and the Wallies ally with Japan to back-stab the USSR. So you have a 3 sided war the Wallies + Japan vs the USSR vs Germany + Italy

there was a pretty long list of countries that were going to get back-stabs? maybe they decide the USSR LATER rather than sooner? once they had a pact with them Japan becomes... superfluous?

historically the Soviets invaded Iran and Manchuria, maybe they could be encouraged to invade one or both earlier? that puts Japan on same side of line as Allies whether Japan formally joins Allies or not?
 
there was a pretty long list of countries that were going to get back-stabs? maybe they decide the USSR LATER rather than sooner? once they had a pact with them Japan becomes... superfluous?

historically the Soviets invaded Iran and Manchuria, maybe they could be encouraged to invade one or both earlier? that puts Japan on same side of line as Allies whether Japan formally joins Allies or not?

We are talking Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, and Imperial Japan . Not exactly the most trustworthy countries in history!
 
We are talking Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, and Imperial Japan . Not exactly the most trustworthy countries in history!

HA! no not exactly the most trustworthy. my point was to OP, how does Japan end up on Allied side.

in my view only as co-belligerent (at least at first) and only by negative actions, i.e. the Allied side is not going to decide to actively recruit them.

my take is that Germany set up situation by bringing in Japan to Axis where the Soviets were not going to attack either for fear of two-front war, after M-R Pact they could have dropped Japan and their strange alliance with them?

encourage the Soviets to invade Manchuria (earlier) as well as well as Iran (although that could be peaceful) putting Allies and Japan on same side.
 
What if japan was part of the allies because allies give good trade agreements,and get italy colonies

you have butterfly allot of things to make this work.
see it was Imperial Japan that started to expand radical in Asia what let them into conflict to USA and sneak attack by Japanese on Pearl Harbor, let to War, what USA ended with two atomic bombs on Japan...

Japan would need to be democratic also
Tell that Stalin, he get a violent fit of laughter
The Reason that the Totalitarian Soviet Union became a allies, was simple: Hitler invaded them
and Churchill and Roosevelt adapted: "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend"

Similar could also go for Imperial Japan if history goes different way
1. Deescalation of Conflict of Imperial Japan with USA, some kind solution that let NOT to a Pearl Harbor attack.
like the February 1936 coup d'état by Japanese officers happen differently, leaving more moderate politicians alive.

2. Imperial Japan in NOT in Axis force with the Nazi,
obviously otherwise they cannot be Allies...

3. Need of "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend" situation were Japan looking suddenly as attractive Allies.
Since Imperial Japan is not part Nazi Axis forces, China look suddenly a attractive partner for Hitler
analog to the Kuomintang, strong Anti communist, pro Germany and against Imperial Japan who invade Manchuria
Let assume that this "Axis China" beginn to invade USSR to cut off the supply for Chinese Communist
What let to Two front war in USSR what Hitler wanted from Japanese, but not get

Here to get Japan as Allies to fight Axis china, makes perfect sense for Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt.
so what after the War ?
the Meeting of Potsdam take place, but with twist: a Japanese delegation
They would be not interest in former Colonies of Italy, what they want is fat piece of Axis China and Indochina instead!
to complete there plans for The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

here lies the chance for a Cold war with Imperial Japan against USA, USSR, Britain and France.
 
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