Japan split like Germany 1945

If at the end of the second world war japan was split into Occupation zones, a Soviet zone, an American zone and a British Zone.
how would this affect history?
 

Polemarchos

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The British and American zones would unite, both sides would intervene in China, nuclear mushroom clouds everywhere.
 
If at the end of the second world war japan was split into Occupation zones, a Soviet zone, an American zone and a British Zone.
how would this affect history?

That depens on how it would be split. Who would own Tokyo? I suppose you mean Hokkaido and the North of Hnoshu will be Soviet? They won't have all that much occupied then, even if they have half of Tokyo like with Berlin.

I doubt a iron curtain like in Germany would be possible without naval blockades that would strain both sides to collapse inevitably. There would be no wall across Japan to seperate the Communist side from the Democractic side.

South part of Japan, with Shikoku and Kyushu held(holds) most of the industrial power and population.

No way the Communists can keep the North stable and under its thumb. They are not Germans.
 

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That depens on how it would be split. Who would own Tokyo? I suppose you mean Hokkaido and the North of Hnoshu will be Soviet? They won't have all that much occupied then, even if they have half of Tokyo like with Berlin.

I doubt a iron curtain like in Germany would be possible without naval blockades that would strain both sides to collapse inevitably. There would be no wall across Japan to seperate the Communist side from the Democractic side.

South part of Japan, with Shikoku and Kyushu held(holds) most of the industrial power and population.

No way the Communists can keep the North stable and under its thumb. They are not Germans.

If America, nuker of cities and bringer of consumerism was able to revamp Japan, the Soviets could have too.
 
That depens on how it would be split. Who would own Tokyo? I suppose you mean Hokkaido and the North of Hnoshu will be Soviet? They won't have all that much occupied then, even if they have half of Tokyo like with Berlin.

I doubt a iron curtain like in Germany would be possible without naval blockades that would strain both sides to collapse inevitably. There would be no wall across Japan to seperate the Communist side from the Democractic side.

South part of Japan, with Shikoku and Kyushu held(holds) most of the industrial power and population.

No way the Communists can keep the North stable and under its thumb. They are not Germans.
The Soviets would receive Hokkaido, Aomori, Akita, Iwate, Yamagata, Miyagi, Fukushima, Nigata, Tochiga, Ibaraki, Chiba and half of Tokyo.
the British will recieve Okinawa, Kahoshima, Miyazaki, Kumamoto, Nagasaki, Saga, Fukuoka, Yamaguchi, Ehime, Kochi, Tokushima, Osaka, Wakayama, Nara, Mie, Aichi, Shizuoka, Kanawega, and the rest of Tokyo.
America will recieve the rest of the Prefectures.
how does this afrect things?
 
i've said what i think about it. But some people Always seem to go for the extreme and think that it would mean a dual front cold war instead of collapse. MOrei ntervention in China seems highly unlikely to me. The Korean war will be butterflied away as well.

Some people even would say there will be war between them over Japan while that didn't happen for Germany neither.

If America, nuker of cities and bringer of consumerism was able to revamp Japan, the Soviets could have too.

not if its a 50/50 split of the country. Hokkaido had most of the food production but without industry the USSR would need to provide everything to the Japanese. I don't know how thats going to work.
 
South Korea gets Kyushu, Soviets get Hokkaido and rename it after a random apparatchik, UK & USA occupy Shikoku an dthe lower 2/3rd of Honshu. Post Cold War reunified Japan is basically Honshu wedged between Russia and South Korea.
 
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Polemarchos

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i've said what i think about it. But some people Always seem to go for the extreme and think that it would mean a dual front cold war instead of collapse. MOrei ntervention in China seems highly unlikely to me. The Korean war will be butterflied away as well.

Some people even would say there will be war between them over Japan while that didn't happen for Germany neither.



not if its a 50/50 split of the country. Hokkaido had most of the food production but without industry the USSR would need to provide everything to the Japanese. I don't know how thats going to work.


5 year plans rapidly industrialize the north. Another holdomer happens, but hey, what can ya do?
 
^Not necessarily. Famine in North Korea has mostly been happening since the fall of the USSR and the loss of Soviet food subsidies. A hypothetical North Japan may also rely on imported food to a similar extent, even with a population notably smaller than South Japan.

Korea in this scenario may end up united under a pro-Soviet regime, depending on how much priority the US gives to the peninsula as it prepares to invade Japan. Even if it does end up divided like IOTL, a Korean War is less likely due to the presence of a divided Japan. Soviet troops will likely remain in their part of the peninsula instead of doing a withdrawal in like in OTL 1948, so as to back up their occupying forces in Japan. And with that continued presence will come a more cautious outlook from the Kremlin over any ideas to forcefully reunite the peninsula.

If the communists still win the Chinese Civil War, they may end up gaining UN recognition two decades earlier. Their involvement in the Korean War IOTL, fighting against troops under the UN banner, was a major reason why the PRC had to wait 20+ years to finally join the UN. The butterflies of having early recognition by the US and its allies could be tremendous for how the PRC develops.

No way the Communists can keep the North stable and under its thumb. They are not Germans.

Wartime Japanese propaganda and policy was certainly anti-communist, but not to the extent of Nazi Germany's quest to crush the Judeo-Bolshevik menace. Even in mainland China, IIRC the Guomindang took on more of the fight against the IJA than the CCP forces. In a joint W-allies/Soviet invasion of Japan, the Imperial high command would be largely focused on defending the south from the larger US forces, leaving the north vulnerable to Soviet attack. So the north Japanese may end up going through a less brutal part of the invasion than their southern counterparts, esp. since the Soviets don't have nuclear capabilities at this point.

The government of a North Japan would likely be led by people like Sanzo Nosaka, among other communists and defectors who were taken in by the CCP. I think they'd be able to govern North Japan in a stable manner.
 

Polemarchos

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i've said what i think about it. But some people Always seem to go for the extreme and think that it would mean a dual front cold war instead of collapse. MOrei ntervention in China seems highly unlikely to me. The Korean war will be butterflied away as well.

Some people even would say there will be war between them over Japan while that didn't happen for Germany neither.



not if its a 50/50 split of the country. Hokkaido had most of the food production but without industry the USSR would need to provide everything to the Japanese. I don't know how thats going to work.


5 year plans rapidly industrialize the north. Another holdomer happens, but hey, what can ya do?
 
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