Japan invades the Soviet Union

Okay so I'm writing a thread were the US decides to conquer all of the America's but this leads to the US staying out of the western Pacific. So I'm looking for info on the possibilities arising out of the lack of an American presence.

1. No US annexation means in turn the Spanish keep the Philippines until the Germans buy them?

2. The Japanese are awarded them after WWI.

3. The Japanese gobble up French Indo-China and the DEI after the fall of these countries.

4. Germany then gets Japan to attack Britain and Russia during WWII.

Is this turn of events possible or even plausible? I know we have some major butterflies regarding the defense of Moscow in 1941.
 
You might want to use search 1st. This toic had been discussed repeatedly. In short - Japan isn't going to defeat USSR before hell freezes over. Even in darkest days of Autumn 1941 Stalin kept enough forces on Far East to do Nomonhan to whole Japanese ground forces. And Japanese had very painful memories of Nomonhan. Painful enough to get them into folly of thinking that they can defeat America instead.
 

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1. No US annexation means in turn the Spanish keep the Philippines until the Germans buy them?

2. The Japanese are awarded them after WWI.

Myself, I'd go with a Japanese ground invasion in World War I. Or a Spanish-Japanese War in the late-1800s/early-1900s.

That just seems more logical to me. The Japanese weren't content to just sit around and have stuff given to them in World War I. They provided the bulk of the troops that took out the German colony at Tsingtao. I could see them loading up on transports and heading south to take Manila.
 
You might want to use search 1st. This toic had been discussed repeatedly. In short - Japan isn't going to defeat USSR before hell freezes over. Even in darkest days of Autumn 1941 Stalin kept enough forces on Far East to do Nomonhan to whole Japanese ground forces. And Japanese had very painful memories of Nomonhan. Painful enough to get them into folly of thinking that they can defeat America instead.

OMG I did I swear but nothing came up. I tried like 5 different times... no dice.
 
Myself, I'd go with a Japanese ground invasion in World War I. Or a Spanish-Japanese War in the late-1800s/early-1900s.

That just seems more logical to me. The Japanese weren't content to just sit around and have stuff given to them in World War I. They provided the bulk of the troops that took out the German colony at Tsingtao. I could see them loading up on transports and heading south to take Manila.

Yeah that sounds about right but I was also thinking WI the Germans had someone like they had in east Africa and maybe a larger naval presence.
 
1. No US annexation means in turn the Spanish keep the Philippines until the Germans buy them?

Philippines was actually independent before the US annexation in the same way taiwan maintains it's independence although unrecognized,the first republic technically only ruled luzon because a part of visayas declared independence also the rulers of that republic want the whole philippines but I think just defending luzon is alright the true problem is the people of the philippines became crippled because of the colonization....
 
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Ok so I guess the Germans would have to put down the Filippino independence movement(which the US did in OTL). I don't see the Germans having a problem their except when the Japanese come much of the Filippino population would probably be pretty hostile to the Germans and see the Japanese as liberators.
 

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Ok so I guess the Germans would have to put down the Filippino independence movement(which the US did in OTL). I don't see the Germans having a problem their except when the Japanese come much of the Filippino population would probably be pretty hostile to the Germans and see the Japanese as liberators.


Liberators? Maybe for the first 20 minutes (right until some randon IJA officer murders a civilain for not showing proper "respect".

NOBODY was as bad as the Japanese as an occuppier (unless you happened to be an Eastern European Jew, then the Reich was right up there).

As far as the original POD: A MASSIVE curbstomp on the IJA. Red Army was a modern European style army while the IJA was a light infantry force lacking the "education" of WW I's mass battlefields.
 
But how does curbstomping the Japanese effect the Eastern Front? Does Stalin cancel his Moscow counter offensive?
 
But how does curbstomping the Japanese effect the Eastern Front? Does Stalin cancel his Moscow counter offensive?

Nope he doesnt need to curbstomp the Japs in '41 they can easily hold them with just a few divisions , the offesive will go ahead.
 

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But how does curbstomping the Japanese effect the Eastern Front? Does Stalin cancel his Moscow counter offensive?


No need. The forces retained on the Far East Front would more than sufficient to take the Kwantung Army and pull it inside out.

One of the misunderstandings of the Soviet effort in WW II is that the "Siberians" were not pulled from Far East Front, but from other commands in the "central" portion of the USSR.
 
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