Could Japan invades Manchuria during world war 1 and establish a puppet state
What would be the impact
... I think the Wilson Administration will press hard for a Japanese standdown after the war. If Japan defies this, it spends the 1920s as a pariah subject to western sanctions.
Could Japan could have the west recognize Manchuria in exchange for leaving Siberia or have Manchuria turned into a MandateThe US pressured Japan into abandoning its Siberian incursion, despite strong anti Communist elements in the US.
Could Japan could have the west recognize Manchuria in exchange for leaving Siberia or have Manchuria turned into a Mandate
How actively would they oppose a wartime allyIf the Anglo-French decide to stop actively backing Tokyo, it gets that much harder
Lets go with a 1915 date with no 21 demandsA lot probably depends on what year Japan tries this. If sufficiently early it could divide American focus as people say “but what will Japan do to our Far East trade?”
How actively would they oppose a wartime ally
Lets go with a 1915 date with no 21 demands
Japan and China were, at least on paper, "allies" as both declared war on Germany. If Japan did this, IMHO at the end of the war they would probably be able to hold on to the German concessions they took but not the Pacific Islands. The UK-Japan Alliance ends sooner than the early 1920s.
Why this particular combination instead of OTL’s? In OTL they had to get out of Shandong but kept the Pacific Mandates. Why are they finding it easier to hold Shandong here and impossible to hold Micronesia?
Honestly ... I wonder why they didn't do such thing IOTL.Could Japan invades Manchuria during world war 1 and establish a puppet state
What would be the impact
Yeah, China did so ... oops : 14th August 1917 ... ooops-ooops : more than 2 1/2 years after the 21-Demands ... which already also "asked" for much more influence in -mostly- manchuria. The 'influence' the 'emberrased' diplomatics of the Entente had were marginally or 'cosmetically' at best (the officially stricken part put into a secret annex instead).Japan and China were, at least on paper, "allies" as both declared war on Germany.
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Could Japan invades Manchuria during world war 1 and establish a puppet state
What would be the impact
Japan and China were, at least on paper, "allies" as both declared war on Germany. If Japan did this, IMHO at the end of the war they would probably be able to hold on to the German concessions they took but not the Pacific Islands. The UK-Japan Alliance ends sooner than the early 1920s.
Could Japan could have the west recognize Manchuria in exchange for leaving Siberia or have Manchuria turned into a Mandate
Not if the West opposed them, no. Economically they hold all the cards, and Japan needs to balance its position to hold what it had gained from an annoyed China. If the Anglo-French decide to stop actively backing Tokyo, it gets that much harder
What kind of good ally would unilaterally jump the shark, make a huge power grab solely for their own benefit without consultion that alienates the world's biggest market, and then tries what amounts to a foot-dragging shakedown
Its also important to note that the foundation of the Anglo-Japanese Alliance (the thin thread that set the wartime diplomatic structure up) was the containment of Russia,: a threat that's no longer a concern to London. If it were, they'd be better served by withdrawing from Manchuria and holding on to the Transmur
Honestly ... I wonder why they didn't do such thing IOTL.
Could Japan could have the west recognize Manchuria in exchange for leaving Siberia or have Manchuria turned into a Mandate
More developed Manchuria which is more integrated into the Japanese empire and a slightly stronger Manchu identity. Other than that I didn't have a clueBut I am curious about what you had in mind for consequences when you posted the OP noscoper?