Japan and Germany Develop an Atomic Bomb Timeline Planning Thread

Isn't this ASB?

or did Japan have a nuclear program worth a grain of salt that I never heard about
Both Japan and Germany had nuclear weapons programs. But we're behind the Allies due to several factors (lack of resources, electricity, scientists, etc.) Eventually both countries stoped trying to develop nuclear weapons and focused on trying to make nuclear reactors to provide electricity for their war industry's.
 
Wouldn't it still likely be shot down? Japan had problems shooting down B-29's because thier planes couldn't reach the attitude that B-29's flew at untill they received up-rated engines and turbo-chargers. Thiers several American aircraft available that should be able to intercept it in time (especially due to increased vigilance with the knowledge that the axis have nuclear weapons and bombers to Carry them long distance) plus thiers a decent chance that due to code-breaking plus extensive radar installations on the island giving American fighters enough time to scramble and climb to the G8N's height.
Eh, there's about a 50/50 chance it would be shot down in my opinion. The G8N did have very heavy defensive armament.
 
Both Japan and Germany had nuclear weapons programs. But we're behind the Allies due to several factors (lack of resources, electricity, scientists, etc.) Eventually both countries stoped trying to develop nuclear weapons and focused on trying to make nuclear reactors to provide electricity for their war industry's.
This is like comparing the computer I built in my bedroom when I was 15 to apple.
Yes I had the basic theroretical knowledge and could have done more but I lacked, resources, ability, trained help, engineering skills, investment, vision of the possibilities and desire. And if I had built a machine it would have been four times as expensive and half as good.
 
How the hell did they manage to build so many weapons so quickly, and why nuke the Soviet fleet, its not like it did much :s
 
How the hell did they manage to build so many weapons so quickly, and why nuke the Soviet fleet, its not like it did much :s
The U.S. historically had an even quicker production cycle in 1945. The Germans nuked the Soviet fleet so Finland would stay in the war even when they abandoned Estonia.
 
But eh problem Abe is how. Unless you completely change the Nazi's to go "You know some of those Jewish guys were right and its okay to look at what they were doing." and for them to suddenly loose A. Hitler's love of interdepartmental rivalry and petty kingdom fiefs each stealing/taking/fighting for resources off one another as well as probably a good few dozen other changes then its still not going to happen.

And the Japanese were in an even worse position in terms of knowledge resources and capabilities.

I hate to say it but this is a tad ASB as you're basically going 'because' when asked how the Germans and Japanese have nukes. Because realistically, there was no chance of them getting them, the Japanese didn't have the resources, and the Germans were looking at the Maths completely wrong as well as having issues with resources.

And yes they both had atomic weapon programmes but the difference between them and Tube Alloys/Manhattan is as vast the difference between these versions of the same bit of music.

- Germany and Japans nuclear programme (just wait for the 3rd one to come in :p)

- Tube Alloys/Manhattan project by comparison.
 
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Yes of course and not even half a grain

Having Germany being able to develop a nuke first isn't ASB. They have to abandon a lot of projects such as the Tiger, the V weapons and not make battleships.

They have to focus on just making a gun type.

The U.S. tried making three types of nukes. Implosion, uranium gun types and plutonium gun types.

Historically, the plutonium gun type was abandoned as not working, the implosion was seen as being suapect to not working but still out forward as being easy to produce to greater numbers and yield and the gun type for being the most simple.

If the US was able to successfully make nukes in three years being a gun and implosion type in three years, then Germany can do it in five just by focusing on the gun type.

Now granted it would not win the war. They never could make enough nukes to win the war.

But the premise of making an Axis nuke before the US isnt impossible. What happen is that they load it on a specially made He 177 being launched for a suicide trip.

It would happen in very late 1944 or early 1945 with Moscow being the most likely target.
 
Having Germany being able to develop a nuke first isn't ASB. They have to abandon a lot of projects such as the Tiger, the V weapons and not make battleships.

They have to focus on just making a gun type.

The U.S. tried making three types of nukes. Implosion, uranium gun types and plutonium gun types.

Historically, the plutonium gun type was abandoned as not working, the implosion was seen as being suapect to not working but still out forward as being easy to produce to greater numbers and yield and the gun type for being the most simple.

If the US was able to successfully make nukes in three years being a gun and implosion type in three years, then Germany can do it in five just by focusing on the gun type.

Now granted it would not win the war. They never could make enough nukes to win the war.

But the premise of making an Axis nuke before the US isnt impossible. What happen is that they load it on a specially made He 177 being launched for a suicide trip.

It would happen in very late 1944 or early 1945 with Moscow being the most likely target.

I was actually talking about the Japanese nuclear programme but I think a German bomb is physically possible, engineeringly very iffy, economically implausible and politically impossible.
The problem is that everything needs to go right for the bomb programme to work and all the people involved need to KNOW it will work or else you have wasted a significant chunk of your resources.
Imagine suggesting to Himmler "I have a great idea to win the next war. We need to start now in 1938 and devote 10% of our resources for the next 5-10 years to this bleeding edge science that only 7 people in the world understand (including 3 Jews). We will take the indivisible atom and break it releasing energy which we can use for a bomb!" If you are lucky you might get "I am satisfied with present types of explosives" if unlucky you get about 35cm shorter.
 
Here's the end of the war, however do note I haven't written when the Allies used their nukes:

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, December 15 1944
Germany Destroys Murmansk With A-Bomb

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, February 15 1945
Germans Kill Yugoslav Leader Tito With A-Bomb

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, March 9 1945
Japanese Destroy Mongolian Capital With A-Bomb

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, March 10 1945
Japan Surrenders To Allies; Emperor To Retain Throne

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, March 11 1945
Finland Switches Sides; Declares War On Germany

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, March 12 1945
Sweden Ends All Trade With Germany

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, March 16 1945
Romania Switches Sides; Declares War On Germany

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, April 16 1945
Germany Destroys Bucharest With A-Bomb

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, June 18 1945
Mussolini Killed

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, June 22 1945
Germany Destroys Warsaw With A-Bomb

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, August 15 1945
Germany Destroys Antwerp

The Front Page of the Irish Independent, September 1 1945
Hitler Dead; Eisenhower Declares War Over
 
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