James II marries Maria of Nassau

Charles will stay childless as OTL?
Anne Marie of Orleans or one of the Neuburg girls for Charles William and/or James Frederick can work if they will marry Catholics or some protestant girls (need to find again the usual list), an heiress for Alexander Robert

As always I will push for Catholics matches for the York princesses (the Great Dauphin for Elisabeth and Peter II of Portugal for Amalia) because Charles II's politics and James interest were all in that direction
(Louise Henrietta can work for Joseph I as she would be likely of the same age of his OTL wife or as usual one of Leopold daughters by Claudia Felicitas can be born as boy and survive)

Hmm interesting, I'd say Amalia could marry either Peter II or a son of Peter and his first wife. CHarles William marrying a Neuberg girl works for me, or if Charles II has a daughter, perhaps they'd go for Charles William and the daughter marrying one another? Alexander Robert to Anne Percy seems good for me.
 
Hmm interesting, I'd say Amalia could marry either Peter II or a son of Peter and his first wife. CHarles William marrying a Neuberg girl works for me, or if Charles II has a daughter, perhaps they'd go for Charles William and the daughter marrying one another? Alexander Robert to Anne Percy seems good for me.
Yes, Amalia is almost surely destined to Portugal and I can see easily Elisabeth in France.
For Charles William either his cousin the princess Royal or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sophia_of_Neuburg or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Anna_of_Neuburg or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Anna_Victoria_of_Bavaria
Alexander Robert to Anne Percy is fine so we have just James Frederick and Louise Henriette to match (and she need a birthdate)
 
Yes, Amalia is almost surely destined to Portugal and I can see easily Elisabeth in France.
For Charles William either his cousin the princess Royal or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Sophia_of_Neuburg or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Anna_of_Neuburg
Alexander Robert to Anne Percy is fine so we have just James Frederick and Louise Henriette to match (and she need a birthdate)

Agreed with you there, hmm, would it be interesting to go for a divergence and have Charles William and the Princess Royal marry, so that there's less concern about a Catholic Queen, as we'd be seeing a Protestant Queen and King Consort?

Louise Henriette born in 1678 would work.
 
Agreed with you there, hmm, would it be interesting to go for a divergence and have Charles William and the Princess Royal marry, so that there's less concern about a Catholic Queen, as we'd be seeing a Protestant Queen and King Consort?

Louise Henriette born in 1678 would work.

Yes, if we want a protestant Queen for Charles other than an ATL princess royal we can go with my usual favorites as protestant matches for James/Charles sons born in that period aka a surviving Amalie of Brandenburg (born in 1666), another first cousin of Charles William here (full sister of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_of_Prussia) or her cousin Elisabeth Henriette of Hesse Kassel (if Rupert have the chance to suggest a bride)
 
Yes, if we want a protestant Queen for Charles other than an ATL princess royal we can go with my usual favorites as protestant matches for James/Charles sons born in that period aka a surviving Amalie of Brandenburg (born in 1666), another first cousin of Charles William here (full sister of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_of_Prussia) or Elisabeth Henriette of Hesse Kassel

Okay interesting, I think seeing Catherine of Braganza have a daughter and then that daughter marrying Charles William would be fascinating, as I can see James pushing for his son to be made King Consort in that case. And I think Parliament likely would agree with him. What do you think?

James Frederick to Amalie of Brandenburg would be a good marriage I think for James Frederick.

Louise Henriette marrying Joseph I would be interesting as well
 
Okay interesting, I think seeing Catherine of Braganza have a daughter and then that daughter marrying Charles William would be fascinating, as I can see James pushing for his son to be made King Consort in that case. And I think Parliament likely would agree with him. What do you think?

James Frederick to Amalie of Brandenburg would be a good marriage I think for James Frederick.

Louise Henriette marrying Joseph I would be interesting as well
Well we would have our ATL Mary II and William III in that case as considering who Charles William is the next in line after our Princess Royal (she need a name) I can easily see both of them crowned as co-rulers (not him simply as King Consort) like William III...
The Hesse-Kassel girl is daughter of a great friend of Rupert and niece of Maria's brother-in-law of Brandeburg (instead to be her niece) and James Frederick can marry either Amalie of Brandeburg or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Anna_Victoria_of_Bavaria (who will not marry the Dauphin here and will not marry in France unless the son of the Duke of Orleans and Henrietta will survive)
 
Well we would have our ATL Mary II and William III in that case as considering who Charles William is the next in line after our Princess Royal (she need a name) I can easily see both of them crowned as co-rulers (not him simply as King Consort) like William III...
The Hesse-Kassel girl is daughter of a great friend of Rupert and niece of Maria's brother-in-law of Brandeburg (instead to be her niece) and James Frederick can marry either Amalie of Brandeburg or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Anna_Victoria_of_Bavaria (who will not marry the Dauphin here and will not marry in France unless the son of the Duke of Orleans and Henrietta will survive)

Hmm, perhaps Henrietta after Charles II's mother? And agreed on them being crowned. I do wonder how James II would respond to being subservient to his son aha

And hmm, I'd say Amalie of Brandeburg, to go for the boys being sorted.
 
Hmm, perhaps Henrietta after Charles II's mother? And agreed on them being crowned. I do wonder how James II would respond to being subservient to his son aha

And hmm, I'd say Amalie of Brandeburg, to go for the boys being sorted.
Jmaes will hated that and likely will get full Catholics as revenge on the world and its injustices

For our Queen better Mary, Anne or Elizabeth as first name with Katherine or Henrietta as second...
With Amalie of Brandeburg for James Fredrick and Joseph I for Louise we have everyone married
 
Jmaes will hated that and likely will get full Catholics as revenge on the world and its injustices

For our Queen better Mary, Anne or Elizabeth as first name with Katherine or Henrietta as second...
With Amalie of Brandeburg for James Fredrick and Joseph I for Louise we have everyone married

Lol, not so sure about that aha.

And hmm, how about Elizabeth Catherine, with this Liz, being heralded as a second Glorianna, minus the virgin aspect. With her husband being quite the politician also.
 
I presume even without a marriage between James and Anne Hyde, that Edward Hyde, Anne's father will remain as Charles's chief minister during the early years of the restoration, perhaps without the earldom though. Or perhaps with it still, considering the services he rendered during the exile.
 
I presume even without a marriage between James and Anne Hyde, that Edward Hyde, Anne's father will remain as Charles's chief minister during the early years of the restoration, perhaps without the earldom though. Or perhaps with it still, considering the services he rendered during the exile.
Hyde will stay in a position of power, likely with the Earldom but minus the influence on York (unless Anne will still be James' mistress). I think who the situation was more who Anne was accepted as Duchess of York because she was daughter of her father than Hyde favoured as father of the Duchess of York
 
If I can suggest a revised name list:

Charles William, duke of Cambridge born 1661

Elizabeth Mary of York born 1662

James Frederick duke of Kendal born 1664

Amalia Catherine of York born 1667

Alexander Robert duke of Gloucester born 1671

Louise Henrietta of York

Agreed re Clarendon.

So, here we have:

Charles William marrying Elizabeth Catherine, Princess Royal

Elizabeth Mary marrying Louis, Le Grand Dauphin- later Louis XV

James Frederick, Duke of Kendal marrying Amalie of Brandenburg

Amalia Catherine marrying either Pedro II or a son of Pedro and his first wife

Alexander Robert marrying Anne Percy

Louise Henrietta marrying Joseph I.

The Stuarts have influence in France, Portugal and the HRE, very interesting.
 
Charles will be very happy to have married so well all his nieces, to three of the most important Catholic rulers, while keeping the Parliament safisfied as the main line of succession (his daughter and James sons) will be all protestant
 
Charles will be very happy to have married so well all his nieces, to three of the most important Catholic rulers, while keeping the Parliament safisfied as the main line of succession (his daughter and James sons) will be all protestant

Agreed, I wonder, would Charles include his daughter and her betrothed-or husband depending on when they marry- in the privy council to help them learn the ropes.
 
Agreed, I wonder, would Charles include his daughter and her betrothed-or husband depending on when they marry- in the privy council to help them learn the ropes.
Everything will depend from when Elizabeth is born... She and Charles will be married at her fourteen birthday but if Charles William is older by at least four years is not unlikely who Charles II would start to train him some years before the wedding
 
Everything will depend from when Elizabeth is born... She and Charles will be married at her fourteen birthday but if Charles William is older by at least four years is not unlikely who Charles II would start to train him some years before the wedding

Hmm, I was considering having her be born in 1666, with the resulting pregnancy being quite difficult for Catherine and perhaps rendering her sterile afterward.
 
Hmm, I was considering having her be born in 1666, with the resulting pregnancy being quite difficult for Catherine and perhaps rendering her sterile afterward.
So five years younger than Charles William... They will marry at fourteen and nineteen and I think Charles will try to start to train Charlie between his fifteen and seventeen birthday
 
So five years younger than Charles William... They will marry at fourteen and nineteen and I think Charles will try to start to train Charlie between his fifteen and seventeen birthday
Agreed. Does this a,so avert the creation of Tory and Whig parties then?
 
Another thing, re Louise and Joseph, I can see Joseph perhaps not being such a horny bugger and cheating on his wife if he’s got a wife his own age
 
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