James II marries Maria of Nassau

as it says on the tin, let’s say that Anne Hyde doesn’t get pregnant by james, and instead following the restoration, Charles II decides to marry his brother to Maria or Nassau what are rhe consequences of this?

Or is it more likely that Charles chooses Maria himself?
 
as it says on the tin, let’s say that Anne Hyde doesn’t get pregnant by james, and instead following the restoration, Charles II decides to marry his brother to Maria or Nassau what are rhe consequences of this?

Or is it more likely that Charles chooses Maria himself?
Catherine is the daughter of a king and came with an important alliance and a very big dowry and I can not see her replaced by a minor princess like Maria of Nassau, who can be married to James (sure Catherine's father will likely accept also to marry her to James but that will lower by much the dowry)
 
Catherine is the daughter of a king and came with an important alliance and a very big dowry and I can not see her replaced by a minor princess like Maria of Nassau, who can be married to James (sure Catherine's father will likely accept also to marry her to James but that will lower by much the dowry)
Agreed here, so Charles to Catherine and james to Maria. Otl Maria had no children, but her mother had nine children five who survived into adulthood, somperhaps she and james could have around five surviving kids also?
 
First of all I think she would be remembered as Mary of Nassau. Second of all, I doubt any of James' and Maria's children would mary William III. I think even in the 17th century people would realise that would be a bit too much inbreeding.
The children would be almost certainly be protestant (like Mary and Anne were). So probably no Dutch invasion of England (ehm I mean glorious revolution), although James could still screw up badly enough the people would want to get rid of him.
If William III marries someone else than Mary (who wouldn't exist, so good chance), he might actualy have (male) successor, which would change Dutch history quite a bit (no consolodation of the northern and regular stadholders for example, possibly/probably no second stadholderless period).
 
First of all I think she would be remembered as Mary of Nassau. Second of all, I doubt any of James' and Maria's children would mary William III. I think even in the 17th century people would realise that would be a bit too much inbreeding.
The children would be almost certainly be protestant (like Mary and Anne were). So probably no Dutch invasion of England (ehm I mean glorious revolution), although James could still screw up badly enough the people would want to get rid of him.
If William III marries someone else than Mary (who wouldn't exist, so good chance), he might actualy have (male) successor, which would change Dutch history quite a bit (no consolodation of the northern and regular stadholders for example, possibly/probably no second stadholderless period).
Tbf Henrietta or England the philppe of Orléans were first cousins and they marriesd.

But yeah I think if james doesn’t convert to Catholicism he should be alright, as it was mainly his pro catholicmpolicies which got him done in the end.

I agree with you thay the kids would be Protestant, and likely either marry into Protestant families or majoe catholic ones
 
Tbf Henrietta or England the philppe of Orléans were first cousins and they marriesd.
Being first cousins is not the problem. But Willem II (brother of Maria and father of William III) was married to the sister of James II. That would mean they are cousins from each other twice.
 
Being first cousins is not the problem. But Willem II (brother of Maria and father of William III) was married to the sister of James II. That would mean they are cousins from each other twice.
Also true, as ur was for Louis and maria Theresa
 
Being first cousins is not the problem. But Willem II (brother of Maria and father of William III) was married to the sister of James II. That would mean they are cousins from each other twice.
Weddings between double first cousins or also uncle and niece happened often enough if political reasons make them convenient
 
Weddings between double first cousins or also uncle and niece happened often enough if political reasons make them convenient
This is true, though would it be necessary here? Especially if there are victories during the second anglo Dutch war
 
This is true, though would it be necessary here? Especially if there are victories during the second anglo Dutch war
Everything will depend from a lot of reasons...
In a situation like OTL aka Charles is childless and James and Mary have only daughters the wedding of William of Orange and the eldest York girl will happen at 99% unless William is already married
 
Everything will depend from a lot of reasons...
In a situation like OTL aka Charles is childless and James and Mary have only daughters the wedding of William of Orange and the eldest York girl will happen at 99% unless William is already married
Agreed, hence why I’m thinking of the issue beinf somehing like this:

Charles, duke of Cambridge born 1661

Mary of York born 1662

James duke of Kendal born 1664

Anne of York born 1667

Henry of York born 1671
 
For the daughters instead of Mary and Anne I will suggest some combination of names who include Amalia, Mary, Henrietta, Anne, Elizabeth, Catherine, Louise, Margaret, Sophia and Agnes (but not Henrietta with Mary or Anne).
Boys: Charles and James for sure then Alexander, Robert, Henry, William and Fredrick

EDIT: IF Anne Hyde was still the mistress of James no way any of his daughters will named Anne plus a William or Fredrick for the third boy or one of them as second name for Charles or James would be much appreciated by the Duchess of York and OTL James never used Henry for any of his sons so I will not use that name
 
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Agreed, hence why I’m thinking of the issue beinf somehing like this:

Charles, duke of Cambridge born 1661

Mary of York born 1662

James duke of Kendal born 1664

Anne of York born 1667

Henry of York born 1671
If I can suggest a revised name list:

Charles William, duke of Cambridge born 1661

Elizabeth Mary of York born 1662

James Frederick duke of Kendal born 1664

Amalia Catherine of York born 1667

Alexander Robert duke of Gloucester born 1671

Louise Henrietta of York
 
If I can suggest a revised name list:

Charles William, duke of Cambridge born 1661

Elizabeth Mary of York born 1662

James Frederick duke of Kendal born 1664

Amalia Catherine of York born 1667

Alexander Robert duke of Gloucester born 1671

Louise Henrietta of York
Interesting why the double names?
 
I think there’d be little chance of james being pulled to Catholicism here, especially with a devout Protestant wife. Which removes the popish plot and the exclusion bill off the bat
 
Interesting why the double names?
Girls often had them, boys the two eldest for onoring also their Dutch roots while not naming them directly after his father/brother-in-law or Maria's grandfather plus the house of Orange used often double names (see Maria's father and almost all her sibling but also many relatives had double names) so why not?
France also used double names so James's mother was Henrietta Maria and two of his sisters were Mary Henrietta (the princess Royal, then princess of Orange) and Henriette Anne (the Duchesse of Orleans)
And using well double names we have less chances to make mistakes between peoples
 
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Girls often had them, boys the two eldest for onoring also their Dutch roots while not naming them directly after his father/brother-in-law or Maria's grandfather plus the house of Orange used often double names (see Maria's father and almost all her sibling but also many relatives had double names) so why not?
France also used double names so James's mother was Henrietta Maria and two of his sisters were Mary Henrietta (the princess Royal, then princess of Orange) and Henriette Anne (the Duchesse of Orleans)
And using well double names we have less chances to make mistakes between peoples

Ah, this is true.

So, with this in mind, potential marriages for them? I can see Charles II looking perhaps to Anne Marie of Orleans for Charles William, if he has no children himself.
 
Ah, this is true.

So, with this in mind, potential marriages for them? I can see Charles II looking perhaps to Anne Marie of Orleans for Charles William, if he has no children himself.
Charles will stay childless as OTL?
Anne Marie of Orleans or one of the Neuburg girls for Charles William and/or James Frederick can work if they will marry Catholics or some protestant girls (need to find again the usual list), an heiress for Alexander Robert

As always I will push for Catholics matches for the York princesses (the Great Dauphin for Elisabeth and Peter II of Portugal for Amalia) because Charles II's politics and James interest were all in that direction
(Louise Henrietta can work for Joseph I as she would be likely of the same age of his OTL wife or as usual one of Leopold daughters by Claudia Felicitas can be born as boy and survive).
Other possible Catholics husband are Victor Amadeus II of Savoy and Maximilian II of Bavaria or Ferdinando/Gian Gastone de' Medici
 
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