James II has a son in 1669, marriage options?

I thought he did. And that was when she made the comment about "she had refused him at his lowest point, now in his glory, it would not be suitable for her to accept him"
You are sure? She was quite old at that time (over 30 if I remember well) so is pretty unlikely who Charles was still interested...

So, in your view which is more likely Anne Marie with her huge dowry or Maria Anna Josepha, to given England the chance to play mediator of Europe
How pretty is Maria Anna Josepha? She has the right age for securing better the dynasty, while Anne Marie Louise’s dowry would resolve all the money trouble of Charles and James (and likely also of the next generations)...
If the Austrian girl is not pretty then Anne Marie Louise has won, if not well that would depend from what James (and Charles) liked/needed more...
But Austria can also offer the beautiful Claudia so we have a complicated choice... Better Austria of France? Money or youth and beauty?
 
You are sure? She was quite old at that time (over 30 if I remember well) so is pretty unlikely who Charles was still interested...


How pretty is Maria Anna Josepha? She has the right age for securing better the dynasty, while Anne Marie Louise’s dowry would resolve all the money trouble of Charles and James (and likely also of the next generations)...
If the Austrian girl is not pretty then Anne Marie Louise has won, if not well that would depend from what James (and Charles) liked/needed more...
But Austria can also offer the beautiful Claudia so we have a complicated choice... Better Austria of France? Money or youth and beauty?

Hmm a very valid point/

From this portrait I'd say Maria Anna Josepha is very pretty.

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France will be much persuasive about the match so that will depend much also from the Austrian interest in such match...
 
Hmm this is very true, and the huge dowry that Anne would come with would be enticing

I think the fact that La Grande Mademoiselle didn't make the short-list OTL points to her being an unlikely candidate. She was supposed to have married Lauzun in December 1670. Butterflies from 1669 might mean that Louis decides to either keep his word and let her marry Lauzun, or that Lauzun is killed before the wedding can happen. Either way, she's gonna be in one helluva funk about it, and the fact she wasn't included on the shortlist of candidates OTL despite her wealth, seems to indicate that she was either excluded by James (due to not being pretty) or by Louis (perhaps he thought her too old, or perhaps he was aware of the supposed private marriage to Lauzun; or maybe Louis just felt guilty about his behaviour in December 1670).
 
I think the fact that La Grande Mademoiselle didn't make the short-list OTL points to her being an unlikely candidate. She was supposed to have married Lauzun in December 1670. Butterflies from 1669 might mean that Louis decides to either keep his word and let her marry Lauzun, or that Lauzun is killed before the wedding can happen. Either way, she's gonna be in one helluva funk about it, and the fact she wasn't included on the shortlist of candidates OTL despite her wealth, seems to indicate that she was either excluded by James (due to not being pretty) or by Louis (perhaps he thought her too old, or perhaps he was aware of the supposed private marriage to Lauzun; or maybe Louis just felt guilty about his behaviour in December 1670).

Hmm, so I', guess the candidates are narrowed down somewhat?
 
I think the fact that La Grande Mademoiselle didn't make the short-list OTL points to her being an unlikely candidate. She was supposed to have married Lauzun in December 1670. Butterflies from 1669 might mean that Louis decides to either keep his word and let her marry Lauzun, or that Lauzun is killed before the wedding can happen. Either way, she's gonna be in one helluva funk about it, and the fact she wasn't included on the shortlist of candidates OTL despite her wealth, seems to indicate that she was either excluded by James (due to not being pretty) or by Louis (perhaps he thought her too old, or perhaps he was aware of the supposed private marriage to Lauzun; or maybe Louis just felt guilty about his behaviour in December 1670).
Kellan in OTL a marriage of James of York to Anne Marie Louise would be without sense as James needed to remarry for securing the English succession and she was way too old for being taken in consideration but if James had already an healthy son things can be different...
 
Kellan in OTL a marriage of James of York to Anne Marie Louise would be without sense as James needed to remarry for securing the English succession and she was way too old for being taken in consideration but if James had already an healthy son things can be different...
Succession isn’t quite secure tho
 
Kellan in OTL a marriage of James of York to Anne Marie Louise would be without sense as James needed to remarry for securing the English succession and she was way too old for being taken in consideration but if James had already an healthy son things can be different...

True. But Louis (by 1673) has buried several sons of his own already (2 by Maria Teresa (plus 3 daughters), 4 boys by La Vallière, 1 by La Montespan (plus a daughter by the last)), all of whom were probably healthy when born. I imagine that he would offer La Mademoiselle out of propriety (if only so that the English can refuse her and to satisfy honour), but I think he would understand James' need for a "spare". Although, I do agree that she's likely to be offered, Louis could probably also offer her more appropriately aged half-sister, the Dowager Duchesse de Guise, but since she's hunchbacked (I think), even if wealthy (I think), I don't know if James will even look twice.
 
True. But Louis (by 1673) has buried several sons of his own already (2 by Maria Teresa (plus 3 daughters), 4 boys by La Vallière, 1 by La Montespan (plus a daughter by the last)), all of whom were probably healthy when born. I imagine that he would offer La Mademoiselle out of propriety (if only so that the English can refuse her and to satisfy honour), but I think he would understand James' need for a "spare". Although, I do agree that she's likely to be offered, Louis could probably also offer her more appropriately aged half-sister, the Dowager Duchesse de Guise, but since she's hunchbacked (I think), even if wealthy (I think), I don't know if James will even look twice.

Agreed there’s, I’m still kinda leaning toward Maria Anne of Wuttermberg
 
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