James II dies in 1688, what next?

I wonder about a wife for Gloucester in this scenario - a "whoever does not get Jamie"? Though Sophia Dorothea is unlikely - William's mom disliked House of Hannover. And while Willam III would like to "Dutch'ify" the House of Stuart as much as possible (having no shortage of first cousins once removed) I'd like for future Duchess of Gloucester to be not Dutch.

Aha that is true, hmm, if there's a Protestant Princess available from say Saxe Coburg Gotha, that could work?
 
This match brings next to no political benefits to England. Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Christine_of_Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel for massive butteflies? Say she does not want to become a Catholic, while with English match her family still gets allied to a great power.
Also a bit of middle finger to Hannovers from Anne - marrying her son to a Princess from family that is their main rivals.

I like it, also brings some good solid Protestant footing into the English camp, whilst potentially annoying the Austrians.
 
TTL, if Karl gets Milan, they may probably seek an Italian wife for him. Elisabetta Farnese may be a variant, by the way (though she may equally well marry Jose I of Spain).

Oh now that's something. Hmm, seeing her as Joseph's wife would be brilliant, perhaps he could work together with her. Instead of being pushed over by her.
 
Well, that depends on Jose's personality, but she will do well as Queen of Spain.
And regarding Italian wife for Karl... let's go with this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleonora_Luisa_Gonzaga. Then come 1708 he can add Duchy of Mantua to his holdings (a bit of tangled claim but legal inheritance is murky anyway). And she gets better deal than OTL.

Alright I like it. A quick query, are there any records that demonstrate what Joseph Ferdinand was like as a child?
 
From what I can read on German wiki - nothing specific, even though there is no claim that he was dumb, too. A "Mr. Average" I think.
 
I do believe that Maria would be a Queen Regnant in Spain, while her husband manages things in Bavaria (& maybe Brussels). Though her personality was not that sweet either, she at least does not worsen situation. And when she dies, if Prince of Asturias is married to Elisabetta Farnese, even if Jose I is not much of the ruler, his wife would take care of things. Ambitious woman she is.
 
I do believe that Maria would be a Queen Regnant in Spain, while her husband manages things in Bavaria (& maybe Brussels). Though her personality was not that sweet either, she at least does not worsen situation. And when she dies, if Prince of Asturias is married to Elisabetta Farnese, even if Jose I is not much of the ruler, his wife would take care of things. Ambitious woman she is.

Alright very interesting. So, Spain would likely still be getting Parma, and with Elisabetta at the helm potentially, a stake into Naples?
 
So, a quick look at Maria's page, and I found she'd given birth to two children before Joseph. This has me wondering, both died a birth, but their births were after the pod, is it possible one or both could survive?
 
In fact, I do think it's for the best than the eldest one and the younger (OTL Joseph) survive at least till 1710ies. The older one may die circa 1700 from what Joseph died OTL (Crohn's disease), but two surviving male heirs would be enough for Maximilian to stop/suspend conjugal relationships with Maria as it were frequent pregnancies that killed her.
 
In fact, I do think it's for the best than the eldest one and the younger (OTL Joseph) survive at least till 1710ies. The older one may die circa 1700 from what Joseph died OTL (Crohn's disease), but two surviving male heirs would be enough for Maximilian to stop/suspend conjugal relationships with Maria as it were frequent pregnancies that killed her.

Okay brilliant. So, perhaps having Leopold survives to inherit the throne for a time. In regards Bavaria, would Leopold get that as well in time, or would that go to Joseph?
 
The initial idea would be to split the holdings, I think. Then when Leopold dies thighs get interesting. His death may prompt the Treaty of Hague TTL (it would be expected that Spanish succession goes Maria Antonia - Joseph Ferdinand without any partitions, but when Leopold dies and there is a threat of Bavarian-Spanish personal union, the Treaty is signed due to the same shenanigans as the Hague treaty of OTL). Also, maybe Joseph Clement of Bavaria would be forced to leave the Church and marry Maximilian's OTL second wife to secure Bavarian succession, since Maria Antonia TTL is incapable of childbearing after birth of Joseph.
 
The initial idea would be to split the holdings, I think. Then when Leopold dies thighs get interesting. His death may prompt the Treaty of Hague TTL (it would be expected that Spanish succession goes Maria Antonia - Joseph Ferdinand without any partitions, but when Leopold dies and there is a threat of Bavarian-Spanish personal union, the Treaty is signed due to the same shenanigans as the Hague treaty of OTL). Also, maybe Joseph Clement of Bavaria would be forced to leave the Church and marry Maximilian's OTL second wife to secure Bavarian succession, since Maria Antonia TTL is incapable of childbearing after birth of Joseph.

Okay brilliant, I take it, it is quite likely that Leopold would die sooner rather than later.
 
Okay brilliant, I take it, it is quite likely that Leopold would die sooner rather than later.
Let's say that it would be Leopold that gets Crohn's disease TTL (and thus dies of multiple inflammations once faced with change in climate or diet) while Joseph is relatively healthy, maybe with some allergies. A heir and a spare would make Maximilian to be content with mistresses after Joseph's birth, and Maria lives longer. Joseph is probably designated Prince of Asturias at the same time as OTL (with ideas that he may even be sent to Spain to be raised there), but death of his elder brother circa 1698 changes plans and prompts Treaty of Hague.
 
Let's say that it would be Leopold that gets Crohn's disease TTL (and thus dies of multiple inflammations once faced with change in climate or diet) while Joseph is relatively healthy, maybe with some allergies. A heir and a spare would make Maximilian to be content with mistresses after Joseph's birth, and Maria lives longer. Joseph is probably designated Prince of Asturias at the same time as OTL (with ideas that he may even be sent to Spain to be raised there), but death of his elder brother circa 1698 changes plans and prompts Treaty of Hague.

Alright that makes sense, and would also likely as you said before prompt his cousin to marry.
 
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