James II dies in 1688, what next?

Say James II of England died shortly after the birth of his son James Francis Edward Stuart, otl's Old Pretender, what happens next? Does Parliament still go through with the glorious revolution and invite William and Mary to take the throne? Or is there a regency council for James III? Under this regency council would James be raised protestant in the Anglican faith? If so, who might serve as his regents, and who would be considered applicable for his marriage?
 
Say James II of England died shortly after the birth of his son James Francis Edward Stuart, otl's Old Pretender, what happens next? Does Parliament still go through with the glorious revolution and invite William and Mary to take the throne? Or is there a regency council for James III? Under this regency council would James be raised protestant in the Anglican faith? If so, who might serve as his regents, and who would be considered applicable for his marriage?

No, yes, and yes, respectively. Whereas earlier people had mostly been content to sit tight and wait for the period of Papism to pass, the birth of Prince James led to the prospect of a Catholic monarchy continuing indefinitely into the future. If James II had died shortly after the birth of his son, the boy could be raised up a Protestant and there'd be no need to a revolution.
 
No, yes, and yes, respectively. Whereas earlier people had mostly been content to sit tight and wait for the period of Papism to pass, the birth of Prince James led to the prospect of a Catholic monarchy continuing indefinitely into the future. If James II had died shortly after the birth of his son, the boy could be raised up a Protestant and there'd be no need to a revolution.

Alright, so Will and Mary remain in the Netherlands. James likely grows up under a regency led by the Duke of Berwick, the Duke of Marlborough and perhaps his sister Anne.
 
As regards marriage options, who would be top of the priority list for James III and VIII? Would it be someone from a Protestant German state, such as a cousin in Sophia Dorothea of Hanover?
 
I've actually been wondering about this.

First, what would have happened if James II had fled, but his wife and son hadn't been able to get out of the country at the time?

Second, could Parliament have just set up a regency anyway, instead of handing the throne to William of Orange? They could have declared that James II had abdicated, but James III could not rule, so a regency council would be set up. They could have even passed a law that Catholicism was sufficient evidence of insanity to require a regency.
 
I've actually been wondering about this.

First, what would have happened if James II had fled, but his wife and son hadn't been able to get out of the country at the time?

Second, could Parliament have just set up a regency anyway, instead of handing the throne to William of Orange? They could have declared that James II had abdicated, but James III could not rule, so a regency council would be set up. They could have even passed a law that Catholicism was sufficient evidence of insanity to require a regency.
And what would the Dutch army do? Go home because parliament came up with a crazy legalistic story? Not very likely.

Preventing the invasion requires events prior to the invasion to change.

Of course if those do change, William will suddenly have not wasted all those resources convincing England to stop being Francophile. I wonder what he might do instead...
 
Tbf if James II dies when his son is a few months old then surely that removes the need to involve William whatsoever?
 
Maybe William and Mary could be Monarchs, but Prince James could be first them in the line of succession, above their own Children.
 
Second, could Parliament have just set up a regency anyway, instead of handing the throne to William of Orange? They could have declared that James II had abdicated, but James III could not rule, so a regency council would be set up. They could have even passed a law that Catholicism was sufficient evidence of insanity to require a regency.
they didn't just hand it over. it was a massive invasion, the biggest one ever before D-Day. otl parliament wanted mary as the queen, and william just the queen-consort.
William subsequently forced parliament to accept the dual rulership (which in reality wa sjust william),
trying to get out of the deal while the invasion already has happened will only see the invasion switching from benign to going full william the conquerer.

Maybe William and Mary could be Monarchs, but Prince James could be first them in the line of succession, above their own Children.
unlikely, since william already forced parliament
 
First, what would have happened if James II had fled, but his wife and son hadn't been able to get out of the country at the time?

IOTL, some of Williams sympathisers actually captured James II, but William let him escape because he had no idea what to do with him. (He couldn't leave James on the throne to continue his pro-French policies, but imprisoning or murdering him would go down really badly with practically everyone in Europe.) If he got hold of Queen Mary and Prince James, he'd probably have allowed them to escape too.
 
The English army will probably resist the Dutch.If I remembered correctly,the English army actually outnumbered the Dutch.
 
Basically James III would be raised as an upright Protestant King and (at minimum) the rise of Parliament as the major powerbroker would be a peaceful transition via the Regency.
 
Basically James III would be raised as an upright Protestant King and (at minimum) the rise of Parliament as the major powerbroker would be a peaceful transition via the Regency.
Interesting, would parliament dictate the terms of the regency? Or would that be left to people like anne and Marlborough?
 
Interesting, would parliament dictate the terms of the regency? Or would that be left to people like anne and Marlborough?

Well if Parliament can seize the initiative, and that depends on HOW James II dies, is it a sudden illness? an accident? an 'accident' *cough*assassination*cough*? or a lingering illness that gives him some time to set up the regency?

If it's the last one then, at least initially, it will be a regency run by people that James trusts, most likely it will be a bunch of Absolutists Catholics that will be instructed to raise James III in the image of his father. However such an arrangement wouldn't last long, Parliament and the Peers wouldn't stand for it. So there'd a coup that would get rid of that lot and install a new Regency that would dance to Parliament's tune.

I just don't see many scenarios in which Parliament doesn't come out on top in this situation.
 
Interesting. I suppose a sudden illness would throw things in the air and create a scramble for power. Either way, parliament could grow in power but I doubt it would be to the levels seen under the Hanoverians
 
I imagine that Parliament would put in a favorable regency, say Berwick and Marlborough, and then institute essentially the Bill of Rights. James III would grow up Anglican and would be married to probably a German, or maybe one of the children of another branch of the family? One of Charlotte Lee's, Charles II's bastard daughter's, children? They could go outside the family but marrying him inward gives him even less influence from under Parliament.
 
I imagine that Parliament would put in a favorable regency, say Berwick and Marlborough, and then institute essentially the Bill of Rights. James III would grow up Anglican and would be married to probably a German, or maybe one of the children of another branch of the family? One of Charlotte Lee's, Charles II's bastard daughter's, children? They could go outside the family but marrying him inward gives him even less influence from under Parliament.
Would the bill of rights even be a thing with James dead and not fled. I suppose the regents would look for a good Protestant marriage for the boy the .
 
Would the bill of rights even be a thing with James dead and not fled. I suppose the regents would look for a good Protestant marriage for the boy the .

I don't think this Alt!Bill of Rights would be anywhere near as expansive, nor would it be called a Bill of Rights, but it would be the foundation for a more balanced monarchal system where Parliament has a very large say but the King still has the final word.

In this era the power of the Monarch and Parliament is best described as a see-saw, going up and down based on the strength of the monarch compared to parliament. The birth of Bonnie Prince James and the Glorious Revolution basically broke the see-saw. In this TL, the see-saw continues to go up and down with no end in sight.
 
Very interesting, could the see saw see the two go off to war if something happens?
Also is Sophia Dorothea a good marriage for James iii?
 
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