James II defeats glorious revolution, now what?

A lot of what this comes down to is money. England and France may have designs on the New World, but both might have debt, lots of debt. And every new war loads more and more debt, because war is expensive.
France under Louis XIV isn't exactly slim in its finances either...
This is very true. James would need to consolidate his financial position first before doing anything. Forcing parliament to grant money in perpetuity and confiscating rebel property
 
Also antoher problemthat James II would have would be the exodus of a lot of presbytérian and protestant elite, which will greatly weaken the country, also a lot of trouble will happen with the policy of James II generating lot of trouble and many revolts, a civil war would be likely after his death, reducing the country's demographic development.

Also James II is also likely to suffer the same problem as Louis XIV about debts, especially if he participate in the Aubsburg war without the adequate funding.
By the way The northern american colonies would likely revolt against James II, they despite him, it will take many time to pacifiate the colonies which risks of draining the country's finances.
 
Also antoher problemthat James II would have would be the exodus of a lot of presbytérian and protestant elite, which will greatly weaken the country, also a lot of trouble will happen with the policy of James II generating lot of trouble and many revolts, a civil war would be likely after his death, reducing the country's demographic development.

Also James II is also likely to suffer the same problem as Louis XIV about debts, especially if he participate in the Aubsburg war without the adequate funding.
By the way The northern american colonies would likely revolt against James II, they despite him, it will take many time to pacifiate the colonies which risks of draining the country's finances.
I'm not sure I agree. The rebels showed they'd not rebel without foreign help. If William had sead then that help is gone.

I don't think the elite are going to leave, they're going to try and secure their positions on the new order and try and get in good with whoever is regent for James iii.

As for debts possible if James wants to get involved. I'm born sure he would
 
I'm not sure I agree. The rebels showed they'd not rebel without foreign help. If William had sead then that help is gone.

The revolt in northern america was principally against Edmund Andros. They rebelled against their king, overthrown the governor apointed by James II, replace his charters with their own charters, so when they will heard about the death of William many would quickly pledged allegiance to their king, but James II would still need to send soldiers to paciafte the country against the radicalized rebel and their millitia and to convince the colonies to quickly return to the former charters.


I don't think the elite are going to leave, they're going to try and secure their positions on the new order and try and get in good with whoever is regent for James iii.

Yeah and no, many elite would adopt this attidude, but still a good number of them would surely exile.

By example some officer that is really talented, but was never promoted because he wasn't catholic would try his chance in a protestant nation, some people that didn't want to live under a catholic regime, a protestant suspected to have supported William II and know that he's supervised and that herisks to be imprisoned, an academical student that couldn't have the post that he wanted because he was protestant, a searcher that want to avoid the persecution, ...It will not be a huge exile, not an important one, but still in term of quality this exile would hurt the English in the long term.
 
The revolt in northern america was principally against Edmund Andros. They rebelled against their king, overthrown the governor apointed by James II, replace his charters with their own charters, so when they will heard about the death of William many would quickly pledged allegiance to their king, but James II would still need to send soldiers to paciafte the country against the radicalized rebel and their millitia and to convince the colonies to quickly return to the former charters.




Yeah and no, many elite would adopt this attidude, but still a good number of them would surely exile.

By example some officer that is really talented, but was never promoted because he wasn't catholic would try his chance in a protestant nation, some people that didn't want to live under a catholic regime, a protestant suspected to have supported William II and know that he's supervised and that herisks to be imprisoned, an academical student that couldn't have the post that he wanted because he was protestant, a searcher that want to avoid the persecution, ...It will not be a huge exile, not an important one, but still in term of quality this exile would hurt the English in the long term.
In terms of North America sure. In terms of people leaving. That depends on whether James wisens up or not. He would have to know that what he was doing before the revolution wasn’t sustainable long term. The war could knock some sense into him
 
In terms of North America sure. In terms of people leaving. That depends on whether James wisens up or not. He would have to know that what he was doing before the revolution wasn’t sustainable long term. The war could knock some sense into him

Or the opposite, James II purged a lot of important prostetant officer-holders to replace them with dedicated Catholics, he allied with a devotees catholict, was a devotee catholic and his privy councillor was catholic, James II is sourrounded by devotees catholic every day, so in my opinion this revolt would only made him persecuted the protestants even more, also after all he did I do not think a soothing policy will make the English forget the grievances against him. Also James II worked during decade to
turn his country into a Catholic kingdom and now that he killed his opponents and secured his throne he would intends to take advantage of it.



i could see his sucessor to use a policy of tolerance but not him, it would be really unlikely.
 

Philip

Donor
Alright class, they land, and then are confronted by a fresh English host commanded by James himself, or should they get to Salisbury?

I think Billy will need some time to gather his English allies, enough that James can clean house afterwards.
 
Or the opposite, James II purged a lot of important prostetant officer-holders to replace them with dedicated Catholics, he allied with a devotees catholict, was a devotee catholic and his privy councillor was catholic, James II is sourrounded by devotees catholic every day, so in my opinion this revolt would only made him persecuted the protestants even more, also after all he did I do not think a soothing policy will make the English forget the grievances against him. Also James II worked during decade to
turn his country into a Catholic kingdom and now that he killed his opponents and secured his throne he would intends to take advantage of it.



i could see his sucessor to use a policy of tolerance but not him, it would be really unlikely.
Hmm this is true. I don't think there's be a revolt when he dies though
 
That should get them to at least the beginning of the Spanish Succession. So they split over this or can the come up with a division they both like. If France and England are on the same side, do they start dividing up Spain's colonies?
They might though I don't think philip would like that
 
From what I understand, if James had simply stayed put in London, this would have caused the rebels a significant political headache. Declaring the throne vacant via "abdication" is one thing, but a King who basically sits in his Palace, and refuses to budge is another. Parliament isn't about to lop James' head off, because enough people remember what happened the last time that happened.
 
That should get them to at least the beginning of the Spanish Succession. So they split over this or can the come up with a division they both like. If France and England are on the same side, do they start dividing up Spain's colonies?

They could aslo tries to divide the Netherlands colonies during the war of Aubsburg
 
From what I understand, if James had simply stayed put in London, this would have caused the rebels a significant political headache. Declaring the throne vacant via "abdication" is one thing, but a King who basically sits in his Palace, and refuses to budge is another. Parliament isn't about to lop James' head off, because enough people remember what happened the last time that happened.
Would there have been a case of baiting William then?
 
If James gets the support of the duke of Norfolk as the man was the highest ranking noble in the land, that could be quite the coup. Especially as Norfolk was cs5olic
 
If people
Like Norfolk, Churchill, grafton, cornbury and his father remained loyal to James that could significantly help things
 

Philip

Donor
What happens to Mary?

What happens in the Netherlands? Do they enter a new stadtholderless period?
 
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