James II defeats glorious revolution, now what?

Assuming James defeats the glorious revolution, what happens next? Does he make the judiciary his completely, does he stack parliament with his supporters alongside the army? What becomes of The immortal seven? Would James support France during the nine years war? And would James III be raised catholic? Who could be considered as regent for James iii should his dad die I. 1701?
 
Don't bump after a mere 8 hours but it depends what you mean by the defeating the Glorious Revolution. Even if you summon a Tsunami to destroy William and his fleet by late 1688 James II had completely alienated the vast majority of the nobility and gentry and lost almost all public support, especially in London. In the North you had Danby and Devonshire raising armies to fight against him and his Army was completely unreliable with whole units defecting as soon as the opportunity presented itself. No Glorious Revolution simply means Civil War mk. 2 but with rather less support for the Royalists.
If he somehow won it would only be with massive French aid and as a French puppet but he would be able to wipe the slate completely clean in that circumstance, basically copy what the Hapsburgs did to Bohemia after the 30 Years War with a completely new Catholic nobility and a completely new set of institutions.
 

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How James defeats William? Reasonable arguments had been made in the past, that the best way is a naval battle before landing on english soil.

I think it also depends if William is killed or if he lives. If he leaves, then he remains a very dangerous pretender for the throne. So it makes sense that James will attempt to wage war again the Netherlands . In such senario, with the British on the french side, with the Dutch navy to have sustained losses from day 1 and dwarfed by the combined might of the British and french fleets, then Louis is for some tremendous success.

However, I m not sure about the internal opposition against an alliance with France. Even a naval victory againt William will not hand wave the fierce internal opposition.
 
Don't bump after a mere 8 hours but it depends what you mean by the defeating the Glorious Revolution. Even if you summon a Tsunami to destroy William and his fleet by late 1688 James II had completely alienated the vast majority of the nobility and gentry and lost almost all public support, especially in London. In the North you had Danby and Devonshire raising armies to fight against him and his Army was completely unreliable with whole units defecting as soon as the opportunity presented itself. No Glorious Revolution simply means Civil War mk. 2 but with rather less support for the Royalists.
If he somehow won it would only be with massive French aid and as a French puppet but he would be able to wipe the slate completely clean in that circumstance, basically copy what the Hapsburgs did to Bohemia after the 30 Years War with a completely new Catholic nobility and a completely new set of institutions.
What could James have done before the situation escalated to nornhave completely alienated everyone?
 
How James defeats William? Reasonable arguments had been made in the past, that the best way is a naval battle before landing on english soil.

I think it also depends if William is killed or if he lives. If he leaves, then he remains a very dangerous pretender for the throne. So it makes sense that James will attempt to wage war again the Netherlands . In such senario, with the British on the french side, with the Dutch navy to have sustained losses from day 1 and dwarfed by the combined might of the British and french fleets, then Louis is for some tremendous success.

However, I m not sure about the internal opposition against an alliance with France. Even a naval victory againt William will not hand wave the fierce internal opposition.
Interesting though if he's defeated the chance of the estates getting another green light to William is slim
 
Oh definitely, I think he'd use that for massive PR victory
Long-run effects we might see:
  • England might be less opposed to France than it has usually been
  • Ireland remains in the UK till present day, because Catholics are less oppressed
  • England and France vs. Habsburgs and Dutch might be the defining geopolitical division in Europe in the 1700s
  • England's history in regards to finance might be different
  • Parliament is weaker and the monarch is less apolitical than in OTL
 
Long-run effects we might see:
  • England might be less opposed to France than it has usually been
  • Ireland remains in the UK till present day, because Catholics are less oppressed
  • England and France vs. Habsburgs and Dutch might be the defining geopolitical division in Europe in the 1700s
  • England's history in regards to finance might be different
  • Parliament is weaker and the monarch is less apolitical than in OTL
Agreed with you there, we could see a much more royalist Bani of England being set up. And parliament veing firced to grant a proper financial settlement.

Would you recommend William not labding then?
 
Agreed with you there, we could see a much more royalist Bani of England being set up. And parliament veing firced to grant a proper financial settlement.

Would you recommend William not labding then?
If this is the end result one desires, sure - his fleet getting lost at sea is pretty much the best way one can kill the Glorious Revolution in the cradle.
Only scenario I think could punish James' opponents more - William's fleet is able to land despite the storm. The storm still occurs and he loses half his army. Then James and his army destroys him in battle, with William being killed by James himself. Some of James' domestic enemies joined with the William's army the day before the battle and get caught, some of them die in combat, most get captured.
 
Honestly, I don’t think he could have held onto England if your PoD is after William landing unless he’s killed but I have a hard time believing the enemy army simply melts away. His best chance might be winning an alt-Battle of the Boyne and making himself King of Ireland. (Even that’s a bit iffy about whether he could pull it off but that’s besides the point.) From there he could reclaim England after an indeterminate amount of time with French or Spanish aid if need be.
 
Honestly, I don’t think he could have held onto England at that point. His best chance might be winning an alt-Battle of the Boyne and making himself King of Ireland. (Even that’s a bit iffy about whether he could pull it off but that’s besides the point.) From there he could reclaim England after an indeterminate amount of time with French or Spanish aid if need be.
Really? If William is defeated or never lands then recolurion is dead surely? The rebels had shown they'd not do anything without William
 
If this is the end result one desires, sure - his fleet getting lost at sea is pretty much the best way one can kill the Glorious Revolution in the cradle.
Only scenario I think could punish James' opponents more - William's fleet is able to land despite the storm. The storm still occurs and he loses half his army. Then James and his army destroys him in battle, with William being killed by James himself. Some of James' domestic enemies joined with the William's army the day before the battle and get caught, some of them die in combat, most get captured.
I quite like that latter Optiob, would James need to be a waiting at Portsmouth then?
 
I quite like that latter Optiob, would James need to be a waiting at Portsmouth then?
Somewhere near the coast I imagine. Savviest course of action is close enough that you can destroy his army before he can hope to reach London, but far away enough that some of your domestic opponents join his weakened army (allows you to cast them as disloyal after the fact).
 
Somewhere near the coast I imagine. Savviest course of action is close enough that you can destroy his army before he can hope to reach London, but far away enough that some of your domestic opponents join his weakened army (allows you to cast them as disloyal after the fact).
Portsmouth or Brighton could work
 
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