James I Not Captured

James, duke of Rothesay, was sent to France shortly after the death of his older brother, David. However, the English intercepted him and he spent until the end of Henry V's reign as a royal prisoner, even marrying an English bride. But what if he'd made it safely to France? Scotland was hardly a powerhouse, yet England was always wary of the Auld Alliance. How might this impact the Hundred Years War? Scotland? How might France react to having a foreign king at their court? Will Jimmy marry a French bride instead? Might England invade Scotland?
 
I imagine that if James makes it to France successfully, then he's there for a time until either Robert III dies, when he will come back with some French support to back up his claim, or ALbany will invite him back. Or, failing that Robert III might actually seek to remove Albany from power, and do something himself. Failing that, James could well marry a French princess if any are available, agree to continue the Auld Alliance, and perhaps when he thinks the time is right, invade England.
 
I imagine that if James makes it to France successfully, then he's there for a time until either Robert III dies, when he will come back with some French support to back up his claim, or ALbany will invite him back. Or, failing that Robert III might actually seek to remove Albany from power, and do something himself. Failing that, James could well marry a French princess if any are available, agree to continue the Auld Alliance, and perhaps when he thinks the time is right, invade England.

Why would Albany invite him back? Usually the Albany Stewarts and the main line were at odds with one another. Albany's suspected of killing Jamie's brother David, and when James returned OTL he basically went on an extermination spree of the Albany clan. To my mind, Albany seems to have been operating with the fixed goal of seeing his line on the throne instead of Robert III's.

As to Robert III removing Albany from power, I'm likewise unsure. He didn't OTL. Why would he suddenly do so here? IIRC, once Robert III got the throne they realized he wasn't as strong a king as they would've liked.
 
Why would Albany invite him back? Usually the Albany Stewarts and the main line were at odds with one another. Albany's suspected of killing Jamie's brother David, and when James returned OTL he basically went on an extermination spree of the Albany clan. To my mind, Albany seems to have been operating with the fixed goal of seeing his line on the throne instead of Robert III's.

As to Robert III removing Albany from power, I'm likewise unsure. He didn't OTL. Why would he suddenly do so here? IIRC, once Robert III got the throne they realized he wasn't as strong a king as they would've liked.
If my memory serves correctly, the auld alliance had been renewed, and as such if James is in France married to a French princess, there will be pressure for him to be back in Edinburgh.
 
If my memory serves correctly, the auld alliance had been renewed, and as such if James is in France married to a French princess, there will be pressure for him to be back in Edinburgh.

Sure, the pressure will be on for Jamie much like it was for Mary after her first widowhood. But remember, part of the reason he was sent out of Scotland in the first place was because of the fact that they feared they would do away with him as they had with Davey. And thus, Albany's path to the throne would be clear. In 1406 when he succeeds, he, like almost all Stewart kings is underage (I would imagine majority in Scotland is 16/18, which is only in 1410)/1412, so Albany would be the one pulling the strings on the regency council. And considering the holders of the Albany title's penchant for parricide (I mean, Jamie's brother had supposedly murdered Davey by imprisoning him and starving him to death; James III's brother proposed numerous times that England invade and set him up as king of Scots (which indicates he would've had no problem placing a blood-steeped crown on his head by murdering God's anointed); his son, the 2nd duke of Albany was feared by Margaret Tudor and James IV for much the same reason), I don't see a 12yo lasting very long. And it's not as though France can spare troops to prop him up against Albany, considering the beating they're taking from the English.
 
Sure, the pressure will be on for Jamie much like it was for Mary after her first widowhood. But remember, part of the reason he was sent out of Scotland in the first place was because of the fact that they feared they would do away with him as they had with Davey. And thus, Albany's path to the throne would be clear. In 1406 when he succeeds, he, like almost all Stewart kings is underage (I would imagine majority in Scotland is 16/18, which is only in 1410)/1412, so Albany would be the one pulling the strings on the regency council. And considering the holders of the Albany title's penchant for parricide (I mean, Jamie's brother had supposedly murdered Davey by imprisoning him and starving him to death; James III's brother proposed numerous times that England invade and set him up as king of Scots (which indicates he would've had no problem placing a blood-steeped crown on his head by murdering God's anointed); his son, the 2nd duke of Albany was feared by Margaret Tudor and James IV for much the same reason), I don't see a 12yo lasting very long. And it's not as though France can spare troops to prop him up against Albany, considering the beating they're taking from the English.

In the early 1400s? France and England were at peace, there was a lull in the Hundred Years War, unless, you're on about France supporting James during the outbreak in 1410s?
 
In the early 1400s? France and England were at peace, there was a lull in the Hundred Years War, unless, you're on about France supporting James during the outbreak in 1410s?

Yes, but there wasn't a permanent treaty to formally end the war. The French can send him to Scotland with troops and a wife in 1406/1410 and that can be cause for a start to whole new round of fighting. France sends troops to Scotland to clear out Albany and his lot. If Henry IV fears that this is just a smokescreen and France actually plans on invading England through the backdoor, I don't think he'd have much difficulty convincing the English to restart the war in France. When that happens, France has to pull her troops from Scotland. And James might be left alone to deal with Albany.
 
At the court of King Charles VI of France, Prince James would be introduced to his daughter Princess Michelle of Valois by Isabeau of Bavaria.

James I of Scotland (b. 25 July 1394: d. 21 February 14??) m. Michelle of France (b. 11 January 1395: d. 14??)

Would either of them be murdered/assassinated in OTL?
 
At the court of King Charles VI of France, Prince James would be introduced to his daughter Princess Michelle of Valois by Isabeau of Bavaria.

James I of Scotland (b. 25 July 1394: d. 21 February 14??) m. Michelle of France (b. 11 January 1395: d. 14??)

Would either of them be murdered/assassinated in OTL?


There's no reason for either of them to be. James seemed to be relatively on-it with regards to Albany and co back in Scotland. The only question I would have is about Michelle's childlessness OTL.
 
There's no reason for either of them to be. James seemed to be relatively on-it with regards to Albany and co back in Scotland. The only question I would have is about Michelle's childlessness OTL.

So these two living longer have more chance to conceive, in time.

She died in 27, she had borne a daughter, Agnes, but she died in infancy and Philip III had been mostly away preparing for the battles.
 
QUOTE="Jonathan, post: 14202434, member: 75931"]So these two living longer have more chance to conceive, in time.

She died in 27, she had borne a daughter, Agnes, but she died in infancy and Philip III had been mostly away preparing for the battles.[/QUOTE]

More children, possibly. But IDK if she'll be rivalling Joan Beaufort for progeny. Her sisters weren't exactly Ceres-like fertility. Isabelle had one, Jeanne had 7 but three died in infancy, Michelle had only one, Catherine had four/five, but both her daughters and one of her sons (supposedly) died in infancy.

If Michelle only has one kid like OTL, James might be required to remarry.
 
QUOTE="Jonathan, post: 14202434, member: 75931"]So these two living longer have more chance to conceive, in time.

She died in 27, she had borne a daughter, Agnes, but she died in infancy and Philip III had been mostly away preparing for the battles.

More children, possibly. But IDK if she'll be rivalling Joan Beaufort for progeny. Her sisters weren't exactly Ceres-like fertility. Isabelle had one, Jeanne had 7 but three died in infancy, Michelle had only one, Catherine had four/five, but both her daughters and one of her sons (supposedly) died in infancy.

If Michelle only has one kid like OTL, James might be required to remarry.[/QUOTE]

Indeed he might, though is there a chance that with butterflies in place, we could see them having three kids? Perhaps two sons and one girl?

In this scenario who would Joan Beaufort wed?
 
More children, possibly. But IDK if she'll be rivalling Joan Beaufort for progeny. Her sisters weren't exactly Ceres-like fertility. Isabelle had one, Jeanne had 7 but three died in infancy, Michelle had only one, Catherine had four/five, but both her daughters and one of her sons (supposedly) died in infancy.

If Michelle only has one kid like OTL, James might be required to remarry.

Indeed he might, though is there a chance that with butterflies in place, we could see them having three kids? Perhaps two sons and one girl?

In this scenario who would Joan Beaufort wed?[/QUOTE]

Probably considerably lower on the social scale than the king of Scots. She might be used to establish ties to another English noble house? Mortimers, maybe?
 
Indeed he might, though is there a chance that with butterflies in place, we could see them having three kids? Perhaps two sons and one girl?

In this scenario who would Joan Beaufort wed?

Probably considerably lower on the social scale than the king of Scots. She might be used to establish ties to another English noble house? Mortimers, maybe?[/QUOTE]

Mortimer could be good as could a marriage to Cambridge
 
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