Jahangir dies in 1604

So, this is something I've been pondering the more I look into the Mughals and all.

In 1605,Akbar arguably the greatest Mughal Emperor died, and was succeded by his eldest surviving son Jahangir who was seen by some as useless and incompetent. Jahangir ruled until his own death some twenty years later.

However, what would've happened had Jahangir died in 1604, before his father's death? WOuld the succession war have been between Jahangir's two oldest sons, or would Shah Jahan also have featured in this? Who might've emerged from all of this as the Emperor at the end?
 
The main view that Jahangir was a bad emperor comes from the British because of the power that Nur Jahan had and how much they hated henpecked men.
I mean Jahangir definitely wasn’t all that bad as they come- he was pretty much as tolerant as Akbar and patronised science more than any other emperor (mostly zoology but still) And was capable of extreme compassion as well as extreme cruelty, both crying when he saw poor children and blinding his own son Khusrau when he rebelled and creating a very unique and bloody punishment for him.(look it up but it’s not pretty)

Talking of said son, he probably would have inherited otl had he not rebelled so I see a short succession war between Khusrau, Khurram and maybe Shahryar but probably not as he only went for it with Nur Jahans support, which he’s deprived of otl, with Khusrau coming out on top.

Emperor Khusrau could end up doing almost anything- he would probably be pretty unstable as he was a product of almost Habsburg level inbreeding and had a history of family mental illnesses, with his mother committing suicide in 1605 otl.
 
The main view that Jahangir was a bad emperor comes from the British because of the power that Nur Jahan had and how much they hated henpecked men.
I mean Jahangir definitely wasn’t all that bad as they come- he was pretty much as tolerant as Akbar and patronised science more than any other emperor (mostly zoology but still) And was capable of extreme compassion as well as extreme cruelty, both crying when he saw poor children and blinding his own son Khusrau when he rebelled and creating a very unique and bloody punishment for him.(look it up but it’s not pretty)

Talking of said son, he probably would have inherited otl had he not rebelled so I see a short succession war between Khusrau, Khurram and maybe Shahryar but probably not as he only went for it with Nur Jahans support, which he’s deprived of otl, with Khusrau coming out on top.

Emperor Khusrau could end up doing almost anything- he would probably be pretty unstable as he was a product of almost Habsburg level inbreeding and had a history of family mental illnesses, with his mother committing suicide in 1605 otl.

Agreed with you there on Jahangir, and interesting so likely more chaos should Khusrau come out on top.
 
It is said that Khusrau was a very noble prince who was the favorite of his grandfather Akbar. When Jahangir defeated and imprisoned him, Nur Jahan had approached Khusrau and offered him help under a condition. Nur Jahan hated Khurram (later Shah Jahan) and wanted to block his accession to the throne. She offered to give her daughter by her first husband in marriage to Khurram and help him to ascend the Mughal Throne after Jahangir. She knew that Khusrau was a brave soldier who could challenge Khurram on an equal footing. But Khusrau who loved his wife very much was not ready to marry Nur Jahan's daughter. Even his beloved wife advised him to accept the offer of Nur Jahan and save his neck. But Khusrau was adamant in his stand and an enraged Nur Jahan decided to punish him. With her concurrence Khurram was given the custody of Khusrau leading to his death at the hands of Khurram. Nur Jahan gave her daughter in marriage to Shahriyar, the youngest son of Jahangir. He was a weak prince and was easily defeated by Khurram in the war of succession after the death of Jahangir. If Khusrau had inherited the Mughal Throne he would have been another Akbar most probably, like his nephew Darah Shikoh. It is a tragedy that the two princes who were the eldest sons of their respective fathers and more deserving by their character were killed by the third sons in both cases who were better conspirators.
 
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It is said that Khusrau was a very noble prince who was the favorite of his grandfather Akbar. When Jahangir defeated and imprisoned him, Nur Jahan had approached Khusrau and offered him help under a condition. Nur Jahan hated Khurram (later Shah Jahan) and wanted to block his accession to the throne. She offered to give her daughter by her first husband in marriage to Khurram and help him to ascend the Mughal Throne after Jahangir. She knew that Khusrau was a brave soldier who could challenge Khurram on an equal footing. But Khusrau who loved his wife very much was not ready to marry Nur Jahan's daughter. Even his beloved wife advised him to accept the offer of Nur Jahan and save his neck. But Khusrau was adamant in his stand and an enraged Nur Jahan decided to punish him. With her concurrence Khurram was given the custody of Khusrau leading to his death at the hands of Khurram. Nur Jahan gave her daughter in marriage to Shahriyar, the youngest son of Jahangir. He was a weak prince and was easily defeated by Khurram in the war of succession after the death of Jahangir.

So, how might one get Khusrau to accept the offer?
 
I had edited my first post to add two more sentences. Well, to your question my only answer is that I have no idea!

What name do you think Khusrau could take upon his ascension to the throne and are there any books or articles about him you recommend I read?
 
The time for Khusrau to choose a name for himself as the emperor will come only if he get a chance to ascend the throne. I have learned about Khusrau in history books. But it was from an article in a magazine that I read a detailed story of Khusrau and his life. It was some time ago and I do not remember the name of the magazine. The story was to emphasize the love of Khusrau to his wife and compare the love of his murderer to Mumtaz Mahal. Khusrau rejected the offer of Nur Jahan knowing very well that the rejection will lead to his loss of life. When his wife embraced his legs and begged him to accept the offer of Nur Jahan, he said that he could never think of another woman in his life. On the other hand Shah Jahan who was struck by grief at the departure of Mumtaz Mahal, surely built a mausoleum like Taj Mahal, one of the architectural wonders of the world. His grief lasted for a few months and then he was back to his normal life celebrating sexual orgies with seven thousand concubines in his harem. The harem was filled with the most beautiful women selected from all over the empire and also from foreign lands.
Women and liquor were integral part of the life of Mughal princes. Jahangir was a notorious drunkard. Daniel and Murad, the children of Akbar predeceased their father due to heavy drinking. Parvez, the second son of Jahangir also died before the death of Jahangir thanks to alcohol. Shah Shuja and Murad Baksh, the second and fourth sons of Shah Jahan were also heavy drinkers. The sexual exploits of Shah Jahan are also famous. Not satisfied with the concubines in his harem he had relations with the wives and daughters of high Mughal officers. Once he happened to meet the wife of one of the commanders of the Mughal army. She was very beautiful and the emperor summoned her to the palace. When she refused to co-operate, she was raped. The lady who returned home told her husband what happened and she committed suicide. The poor soldier could not do anything against the emperor but he vowed to take revenge. He rose to become one of the top generals of the Mughal Army. When Dara Shikoh and Aurangzeb fought in the war of succession, he joined the faction of Aurangzeb as Dara was the favorite of Shah Jahan.
 
The time for Khusrau to choose a name for himself as the emperor will come only if he get a chance to ascend the throne. I have learned about Khusrau in history books. But it was from an article in a magazine that I read a detailed story of Khusrau and his life. It was some time ago and I do not remember the name of the magazine. The story was to emphasize the love of Khusrau to his wife and compare the love of his murderer to Mumtaz Mahal. Khusrau rejected the offer of Nur Jahan knowing very well that the rejection will lead to his loss of life. When his wife embraced his legs and begged him to accept the offer of Nur Jahan, he said that he could never think of another woman in his life. On the other hand Shah Jahan who was struck by grief at the departure of Mumtaz Mahal, surely built a mausoleum like Taj Mahal, one of the architectural wonders of the world. His grief lasted for a few months and then he was back to his normal life celebrating sexual orgies with seven thousand concubines in his harem. The harem was filled with the most beautiful women selected from all over the empire and also from foreign lands.
Women and liquor were integral part of the life of Mughal princes. Jahangir was a notorious drunkard. Daniel and Murad, the children of Akbar predeceased their father due to heavy drinking. Parvez, the second son of Jahangir also died before the death of Jahangir thanks to alcohol. Shah Shuja and Murad Baksh, the second and fourth sons of Shah Jahan were also heavy drinkers. The sexual exploits of Shah Jahan are also famous. Not satisfied with the concubines in his harem he had relations with the wives and daughters of high Mughal officers. Once he happened to meet the wife of one of the commanders of the Mughal army. She was very beautiful and the emperor summoned her to the palace. When she refused to co-operate, she was raped. The lady who returned home told her husband what happened and she committed suicide. The poor soldier could not do anything against the emperor but he vowed to take revenge. He rose to become one of the top generals of the Mughal Army. When Dara Shikoh and Aurangzeb fought in the war of succession, he joined the faction of Aurangzeb as Dara was the favorite of Shah Jahan.

This is true, so I think having Jahangir die in 1604, followed by a short succession war following Akbar's death between Khusrau and his brother, and then him ascending the throne would be good. And wow that's fucked up
 
I mean that’s definitely severely exaggerated- of all Mughals, Akbar had by far the greatest sexual appetite, and literally since Timur it had been a dynastic custom that if a Timurid wanted the wife of another man, he was to immediately divorce her and give her up to the emperor, though it rarely ever happened. If this little anecdote is true (which I doubt) it by no means a particular fault of Shah Jahan, and not something that would be a massive surprise if Khusrau went for it. And Akbar was put under a lot of pressure for having just a few hundred concubines- I don’t know what source you’re reading that says Shah Jahan had thousands but I’m severely doubting its credibility.
 
I mean that’s definitely severely exaggerated- of all Mughals, Akbar had by far the greatest sexual appetite, and literally since Timur it had been a dynastic custom that if a Timurid wanted the wife of another man, he was to immediately divorce her and give her up to the emperor, though it rarely ever happened. If this little anecdote is true (which I doubt) it by no means a particular fault of Shah Jahan, and not something that would be a massive surprise if Khusrau went for it. And Akbar was put under a lot of pressure for having just a few hundred concubines- I don’t know what source you’re reading that says Shah Jahan had thousands but I’m severely doubting its credibility.

Do you think it was inevitable that Khusrau would try to rebel?
 
I mean it was by all accounts a bad decision to rebel against his father and there’s no consensus on why he did it. That leads me to believe it was something that was caused by a short term bad chain of thought, which is easily butterflied. However in your pod there’s no chance in hell hes not trying to secure his own accession.
 
I mean it was by all accounts a bad decision to rebel against his father and there’s no consensus on why he did it. That leads me to believe it was something that was caused by a short term bad chain of thought, which is easily butterflied. However in your pod there’s no chance in hell hes not trying to secure his own accession.

Agreed ther, what's more interesting Khusrau doing as described in the pod, or him not rebelling early on during his father's reign and being there to stave off things when his father dies?
 
Well an earlier pod by definition means you can do more with it. After all Jahangirs reign is when the British came along, so maybe Khusrau doesn’t allow them to build their factories and tries a more Chinese style, they need to operate via an Indian merchant style thing
 
Well an earlier pod by definition means you can do more with it. After all Jahangirs reign is when the British came along, so maybe Khusrau doesn’t allow them to build their factories and tries a more Chinese style, they need to operate via an Indian merchant style thing
Oh now that would be interesting
 
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