Jacobite restoration

So I'm planning on writing a novel/ story on a Jacobite restoration, and was just wondering what might be the best time for such a thing to happen. Now the most known ones are the 1715 and the 1745 uprisings. The time period that I am thinking of having the restoration occur is between 1708-1720, there were attempts in 1708 (never gor off the ground), 1715 (nearly), 1719 and 1720 (never got off the ground.)

With regards to the 1715 uprising, for example, how might one make that go a bit more smoothly and actually end in James VIII and III being restored to his throne
 
How about something earlier than 'normal'? Maybe when Mary II dies in 1694? That's only 5 years after Killiecrankie and IIRC there were some who argued that William II didn't have the right to rule once Mary had died. What I don't know is if there's any chance of a successful campaign then - possible generals, etc...:confused:
 
How about something earlier than 'normal'? Maybe when Mary II dies in 1694? That's only 5 years after Killiecrankie and IIRC there were some who argued that William II didn't have the right to rule once Mary had died. What I don't know is if there's any chance of a successful campaign then - possible generals, etc...:confused:

Oh that would be interesting, could there be a play on the xenophobia that was around at the time? Or would it be slightly sunk do you think?
 
How about something earlier than 'normal'? Maybe when Mary II dies in 1694? That's only 5 years after Killiecrankie and IIRC there were some who argued that William II didn't have the right to rule once Mary had died. What I don't know is if there's any chance of a successful campaign then - possible generals, etc...:confused:
What about having Mary II, and heir and sister, Princess Anne, dying around the same time, leading to people seeing King William III and Prince George Hanover as the enemy of Britain.

This could see the Nine Years' War (1688–97) intensify with France, pledging to support James II back to his rightful throne and marrying his son, James Francis Edward, Prince of Wales, off to a French bride.
 
What about having Mary II, and heir and sister, Princess Anne, dying around the same time, leading to people seeing King William III and Prince George Hanover as the enemy of Britain.

This could see the Nine Years' War (1688–97) intensify with France, pledging to support James II back to his rightful throne and marrying his son, James Francis Edward, Prince of Wales, off to a French bride.

That would be quite interesting, though would the French backing make things worse for James, considering English enmity toward them?
 
That would be quite interesting, though would the French backing make things worse for James, considering English enmity toward them?
Enmity towards the French backing an English King, who was born and raised in England, may be better than having enmity towards the German's backing a German elector, who has never even thought of England let alone been.
 
Enmity towards the French backing an English King, who was born and raised in England, may be better than having enmity towards the German's backing a German elector, who has never even thought of England let alone been.

Hmm very true, so might there be a bit of a succession war as part of the Nine Years War then?
 
a bit of a succession war as part of the Nine Years War
The War of the British Succession?
Or if James VII dies early and James VIII is accepted as King of Scots, it could just be the War of the English Succession.
Or...speculating wildly here...if the English parliament accepts William II/III is legitimate and he presses his claim to Scotland too, it could be the war of the Scottish Succession.

Who'd be on what side of what, that's the question, I guess! :eek:

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The War of the British Succession?
Or if James VII dies early and James VIII is accepted as King of Scots, it could just be the War of the English Succession.
Or...speculating wildly here...if the English parliament accepts William II/III is legitimate and he presses his claim to Scotland too, it could be the war of the Scottish Succession.

Who'd be on what side of what, that's the question, I guess! :eek:

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Aha I like I like. Hmm, who'd be more likely to get support, James VII or James VIII?
 
who'd be more likely to get support, James VII or James VIII?
The Scottish parliament declared that James VII was no longer king because of his actions (unlike the English parliament, which decided that he'd abdicated). So there's almost no chance of him getting any support. That's why I suggested that he'd have to die earlier for any chance of a 1690's restoration (OTL he died in 1701). James VIII (the Old Pretender) might have a chance of being accepted if William II (/III) gets too unpopular. But his Catholicism will remain a huge stumbling block.
 
The Scottish parliament declared that James VII was no longer king because of his actions (unlike the English parliament, which decided that he'd abdicated). So there's almost no chance of him getting any support. That's why I suggested that he'd have to die earlier for any chance of a 1690's restoration (OTL he died in 1701). James VIII (the Old Pretender) might have a chance of being accepted if William II (/III) gets too unpopular. But his Catholicism will remain a huge stumbling block.

Hmm interesting, so essentially, they were somewhat buggered either way?

In regards to the Stuarts, if one of James VII's older sons had survived, say his first son by Mary of Modena Charles who was born in 1677, what are the chances of them removing James from the throne to put the son on it?
 
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